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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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additional july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening all right fade to black

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for the

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how you doing today is wednesday january

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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undisclosed location but it is beautiful

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how you doing i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer and on x networks i am your host

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jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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tonight we have very special guests

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rounding it up

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chris plain the head science writer for

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as if last night we didn't get our learn

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pete mccarthy that was a great show

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tonight it continues chris plane is here

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long

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all right uh the

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uh the tsl top 50 radio rankings talk

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nationally came out today

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clyde lewis

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the cool thing about that list

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we are truly independent and uh and that

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is pretty cool and the only reason we're

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is because of you fate or not

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and and you guys uh being here with me

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so here's to you thank you fader knots

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and that's what we do we just improve

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thank you fader knots you guys are the

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okay uh tonight chris plain is with us

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i'm very excited one of the and i bring

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uh for for one reason and one reason

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i do this show to learn something and

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that's what every guest does they they

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come on the show i i learn

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you guys get to watch and listen to me

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learn live on the air

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and that's always been my goal and if i

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learn something on the show so do you

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and we learn together we go and get

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ourselves an edu mccaskin that's what we

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you know this is the fade to black

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up fade to black diploma you graduated

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that's uh so my recommendation to

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you want to get your learn on come right

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here come right here to fade to black

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and we're going to do that tonight with

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chris plain very excited about the show

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tonight tomorrow night another fader

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night with open lines all night long now

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also lisa frith

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lisa lisa lisa i hope you're listening

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right now lisa lisa let me know today

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she is on her way can i say it lisa on

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okay i'll say this she is on her way

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to go and pick up

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her next crystal skull

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she might have the best collection out

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of anybody that i know outside of

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goes to jimmy i can't wait

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for you to meet and i've i know the name

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and everything i'm gonna keep that

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keep that private until lisa makes the

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i want to go on that road trip with lisa

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oh man it'd be so cool all right follow

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me on twitter at j church radio the

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sandbox is hashtag f2b on twitter uh

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hello to everybody out there listening

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and watching all around the world

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got my eye on you

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fully engaged in this cup of coffee

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running pants like like i jog

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leading off the news tonight are

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tiger sharks

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yes they oh my goodness

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no this is in the news right here kaz is

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we're talking about dragon skulls the

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other day look at that

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come on fade or not

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somebody step up and and and

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that looks oh man

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that's really really really really

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really really really nice

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fade to black diploma right there p.s

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fader palm springs fader that's what

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that is you guys figure out who that is

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all right where am i at oh tiger sharks

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are in the news tiger sharks are

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allowing tiger sharks to travel an

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this uh this news broke today it has

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been happening all over the place i'm

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a wi-fi right now i was going to show

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you my little 5g right i'm 5g

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well just about everybody's 5gs

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it is in the news airlines from japan

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india and the united arab emirates

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all nippon airways canceled flights to

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all right more breaking news is fade to

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scientists say homo sapiens

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it 36 000 years older than the previous

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fossils of the earliest members of our

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and uh linda molten house as homo sapien

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sapiens are exceptionally rare

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to date only eight sites in africa have

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fossil was discovered at that layer

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all right tucson based paragon space

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development corporation

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a long time nasa contractor

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announced last friday that it is

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designing and building the environmental

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control and life support systems for

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aerospace giant northrop grumman

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for the habitation and logistics outpost

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otherwise known as

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halo

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the crew module of nasa's gateway

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project to set up a space station

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in orbit

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around the moon

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as soon as

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2023 that is next year

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based on northrop's cygnus pressurized

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cargo spacecraft halo will serve as the

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living quarters for astronauts traveling

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to and from the moon and perhaps in the

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future

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to deep space

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and mars

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that's right

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it's going down remember artemis we're

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talking about we're talking about

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the u.s moon mission in 2024

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it's 2022. so they need to get this in

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orbit around the moon

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next year

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this is crazy times

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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katie seagal

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played peggy bundy

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unmarried with children america's the

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band

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dewey bennell today is 70.

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dewey

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wrote three of the greatest songs in the

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history of music well he wrote a lot

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more than that but he did write three of

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the greatest songs in the history of

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music he wrote horse with no name

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he wrote ventura highway

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and he wrote

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tin man

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that's right military brat

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him and his him and his buddies

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they all uh were over in europe

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us military base air force

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and uh

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[Music]

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i i think it was like a dod school

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he met

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his two future band mates in america

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uh

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in high school

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and they got it done didn't they one of

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the greatest bands in history

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and all military brats uh from high

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school overseas that's why they named

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their band

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america

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our dead guy's birthday today is moment

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of silence please

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robert palmer

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1949 to 2003 died at the age of 54.

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robert of course

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found huge international success

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with his band the power station

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three of his hit singles i didn't mean

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to turn you on addicted to love and

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simply irresistible were accompanied by

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those videos remember the

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with the matching models

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in the black dresses

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doing that dance

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directed by terence donovan you remember

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those videos they were the best

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robert died from a sudden heart attack

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in a paris hotel room

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on september 26th 2020 2003

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at the age of 54.

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happy birthday robert palmer when i was

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a kid oh man i got so much to talk about

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okay when i was a kid i went to the mtv

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awards

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universal studios 1985

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and

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i s robert palmer

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opened that show man i was like in the

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second row

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center stage it was incredible on this

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day in history 2004

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remember howard dean

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of course you don't but on this day in

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2004 was the moment of the howard dean

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scream

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he was at an energetic rally on the

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evening of january 19 2004

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when howard dean democratic presidential

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hopeful candidate

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emits a noise

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that ended his career

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in politics

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i would do it now

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we all did it then but i'm not fader

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fact nazi rocket scientist

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werner von braun wrote a sci-fi book in

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1949 called project mars a technical

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tale

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it takes place in the 1980s and it's

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about the first human mission to mars

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and their encounter with martians

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including the martian leader

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named wait for it

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elon

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and that

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is your fader fact

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tonight chris palin is with us we are

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going to get our knowledge learn on

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tonight because he's the head science

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writer for the debrief tomorrow night

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it's another fader night with open lines

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all night long dedicated to

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mr clifford mahouty

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all right let me hit this river moon

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fade to black blend

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oh

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girls

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that's awesome cass got got robert

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palmer's women

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all right

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my adidas okay

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the human brain

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probably the greatest creation in the

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entire universe

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and it's ours

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we own it

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it gave me

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the brain my brain gave me the strangest

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vision last night in the dark

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today i actually remember the whole

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thing so right now i'd like to share it

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what would happen if a scientist took my

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brain

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one cell at a time

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and took it apart

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removing

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a neuron

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from my

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brain and placing it in a dish

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and reassembled my brain

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first

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like all brain salad surgery this entire

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process would have to take place while

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i'm awake

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so as this happens

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now of course my current brain during

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this process is still in my skull it's

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exposed

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and the dish on the table next to me

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would have to be wired back into my

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nervous system

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and i would experience everything in

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real time

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would i get

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confused

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00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,159
slowly

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what would happen to my vision

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all of my senses my emotions

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00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:27,679
my memories

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would everything just slowly fade away

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00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,200
would my memory transfer and be restored

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in the new brain

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now seriously think about what i'm

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saying here really take it all in

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because we have to say what about my

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consciousness

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my soul

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does it change

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does it stay the same over the time

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needed to move 86 billion neurons

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from one place

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to another

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will my consciousness be revealed to be

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a part of cells and matter and not

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something that just travels the universe

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of course we we know

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that many if not most of the science

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community insists that consciousness is

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just a part

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and product

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of particles of electricity and

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chemistry

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that there is nothing special or cosmic

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about it

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00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,400
this is an idea that i don't subscribe

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to and i don't think that anybody knows

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00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:37,760
what's really going on here now

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00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,880
which takes me to the next chapter

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00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,440
of my vision from last night

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which is this

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after the last neuron

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is placed in my new brain transfer

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will i be the same me as before

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i mean everything is in place

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00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:00,720
right

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dreams

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00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,440
everything that i've learned can i still

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00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,080
play guitar or drive a car

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00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,880
you know the foods that i enjoy all of

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my life's memories

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all that makes or made

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00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:19,360
me

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00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,600
will it just be one big do-over

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00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,760
now if science is right

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and consciousness is just chemistry and

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particles

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with the disassembly

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and exact precise reconstruction of my

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brain

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create the same magical combination of

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matter

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to make me

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would at some point

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like during the 50-50 split of the

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transfer right we're right at the

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halfway point

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would there be two of me thinking right

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00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,440
two of me being really really confused

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00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:06,640
because right now i only got half a

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brain right so it's only half of me

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one on each side

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equally dumb

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with partial memories

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or would both brains combine

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to make one complete system

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00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:25,120
that would stay balanced through the

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entire process of the transfer

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or even the crazier side of all of this

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what if my new brain wasn't wired into

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00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:36,559
my nervous system from the start

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and that the entire process was done

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when completed

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my new brain is then placed back into my

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skull all of the nerves are connected

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00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,640
and i open my eyes and i look around you

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know what i mean

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00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,750
seriously yes stuff like this is where

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00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,799
my mind goes in the dark

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00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:04,880
as i lie there

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00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,320
waiting for sleepy time

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00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:10,720
and as crazy as

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00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,399
all of this may be as impossible as this

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00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:15,840
sounds

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00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,159
we are probably closer than we think to

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00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,159
having the technical ability to pull

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00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,000
this off

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00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:27,669
when that happens

548
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,640
many of the questions we have about us

549
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,000
our soul our consciousness

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00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,559
will be answered

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00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,360
it's a very interesting now

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00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,520
um

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00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,880
i'm going to share something private

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00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,320
with you

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00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,840
last night

556
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,200
when all of this came to me it came out

557
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,840
of nowhere

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00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,840
didn't come from something that i just

559
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,480
watched something that i just read

560
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,200
didn't come from the show

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00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,120
it just came out of nowhere

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00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,720
and i couldn't stop the thoughts i

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00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,640
couldn't stop the vision

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00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:09,440
and i just kept my eyes shut

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00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,520
and i let this whole thing play out

566
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,720
and i had a very strange uh

567
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,840
uh little sidebar to all of this

568
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,120
remember when hal the howl 9000 in 2001

569
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,640
a space odyssey

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00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,880
and uh dave bowman is pulling out the

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00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,000
memory

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00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,679
cards right and and hal is starting to

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00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,960
lose it

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00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,240
and uh

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00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:36,640
and slurring his speech

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00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,679
and saying things i had a little sidebar

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00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:40,880
like that

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00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,559
that i would experience dumbness

579
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,720
with half memories

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half intelligence

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00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,440
and trying to question

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00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,960
intellectually

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what is going on

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and why can't i function

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why can't i smell

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last night

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i've got to write this down

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this is a crazy it's almost a movie

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right

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maybe it's already been done

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight with us

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chris plane the head science writer over

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at the debrief is joining us for the

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first time

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i have been reading his stuff i have

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been stealing his stuff

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he makes me look good

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that's right

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he's also a comedian

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we might talk about that too

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this is fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church on the game changer and on

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break with our guest chris plane stay

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with me i'll be right back

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on the game changer radio network

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black

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heavy host jimmy church tonight chris

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plain is here head science writer over

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at the debrief tomorrow night

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it's vader night open lines all night

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long tonight i'm gonna get my learn on

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along with the rest of you

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we're gonna take a deep dive into all

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things science tonight ufos uaps defense

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our agencies

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what's going on out there and how it may

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apply in my opinion to disclosure in

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2022.

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00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,359
chris is a self-described science nerd

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he began his writing career in 1991 as a

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member of the ucla comedy club that's a

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00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,920
good place to start

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over the next three decades he has

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written for the stage screen tv and

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radio covering topics as varied as

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commercial space travel ufos los angeles

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lakers

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cedric ceballos you remember cedric

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zabalos

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okay he he's nodding yes i got a cedric

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zamalo's story

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i'll share that with you in 2015 he

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released his debut novel whispers of

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fate the first in the planned seven

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volume epic fantasy saga

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uh

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the heirloom oris with the second and

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third books released in 2016 2018

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respectively his latest novel a science

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fiction adventure called titan is

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scheduled for release in the fall of

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2021

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the fall of 2000

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oh 22 chris says

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dyslexia is a terrible disease man we

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need your money to buy hats so i want

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everybody to please donate to the chris

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uh chris christopher playing fund he

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also contributes regularly to uap

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research.com writes his own blog and of

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course over at the debrief his links are

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right there at jimmychurchradio.com i

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would like to welcome to the first time

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fade to black

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chris playing chris good evening man how

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00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,960
you doing

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00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:41,040
jimmy good to hear you good to see how

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00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,720
are you my man i am fantastic and uh oh

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let's just get straight to it you get

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the first time guest disclaimer

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so uh let's get that out of the way

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chris

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it's just you and i sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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when the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends well we're gonna

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end his friends

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sounds good to me is that too much

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pressure

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no you know what actually jimmy before

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you get to that's perfect and before you

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get too deep into whatever rabbit hole

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you want me to run down with you i just

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wanted to like

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give a two-minute sneak peek to the

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faber knots faber nautical engineers and

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anybody studying the faber nautical

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sciences

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that

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how this process actually occurs because

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not everybody you know you have

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how many listeners i have no idea but

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very few of us are going to get that

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opportunity to jump on here as a guest

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so i just wanted to take them through

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quickly

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how this came about in this process if

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you don't mind and if you feel this is

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going nowhere too bad because you're not

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getting paid all right all right fair

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enough so we we have we have a couple of

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friends co-workers comrades in arms

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micah hanks who i work with over at the

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debrief yep and of course uh uh unx

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superstar christina gomez yes uh who's a

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who's a friend of both of ours and the

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co-worker mine over there at the debrief

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so

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this first phase of this whole thing

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i'll call this is the this is the

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pre-invite

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so before you even get invited to the

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jimmy church show am i killing you here

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i'm nervous no no nothing bad nothing

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okay okay okay

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before you get invited to the jimmy

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church show you get the the reach out so

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like christina gives me that hey jimmy's

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been following your stuff he really

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likes reading your articles you think

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you might be interested so i naively i'm

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like yeah you know what time is he

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thinking what daisy do you say oh no no

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no no

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he wants to you know he will call you

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and invite you

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and he'll bring you on so oh okay so

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that's even before i've been invited

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i've been pre-invited yeah yeah yeah

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that's uh that's uh

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that's pretty close to how it actually

817
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works around here

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i love it so christine so i get on the

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phone with jimmy right you'll have

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plenty of chances to talk you're on your

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every night so i get on with jimmy he

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calls me up right he's a chris jimmy

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church

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you know

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cigarettes and i got eight minutes of

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00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,160
oxygen so i said all right jimmy what's

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00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,720
going on so he invites me he said you

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00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,000
know i'd love to have you on the show

829
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,440
but following your stuff pretty much you

830
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,920
know covered the exact same ground that

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00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,760
christina did right because now there's

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00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,160
a reason to have two phone calls so he

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00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,000
extends me a date

834
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,760
we agree to the date we're picking the

835
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,400
time and what happened jimmy i canceled

836
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,280
you so he cancels right i did i canceled

837
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,319
i called back said chris uh another time

838
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,200
yeah and when i say cancel i talked like

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00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,000
an hour after he invited me right we're

840
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,160
like we're like i haven't even got done

841
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,839
telling my wife who the f jimmy church

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00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,280
is and she knows of course because i

843
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,160
listen to this all the time right so i i

844
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,280
i tell her very excited changes dates up

845
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,000
sorry no problem we're on we're changing

846
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,400
dates what i asked two things i said

847
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,400
what time am i on

848
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,319
and how long is the interview right so

849
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,000
he tells me i'm sorry chris

850
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,400
i'm going to have you in the green room

851
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,079
faber nautical engineers pay attention

852
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,240
this will be on the final exam

853
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:13,760
so

854
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,359
he tells me 6 30 you're on green room

855
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,839
show starts at 7 2 hours i said i can do

856
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:21,599
two hours done two hours on these other

857
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,829
6 30 comes around we we connect we're on

858
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:29,520
for a few minutes he says all right

859
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,670
you know and and see and and this is

860
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,599
within an hour drinking and then yeah i

861
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,920
know i know and so and and here's the

862
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,440
deal

863
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,880
um

864
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,960
and that's exactly how it all went down

865
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,760
uh

866
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:50,480
absolutely but here's the thing chris

867
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:54,400
is that um i have done

868
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:55,119
uh

869
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,200
somewhere north of 1500

870
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,920
interviews oh i bet that's that's a

871
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,480
crazy i think this is show number

872
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,480
1550 tonight

873
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:08,240
and i'm not even sure about the numbers

874
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:09,200
but

875
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,510
you are in a well-oiled machine

876
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:23,280
that just goes

877
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,040
and sometimes i lose sight of

878
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,560
uh what it's like to be on the other

879
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,960
side of the fence uh as a guest

880
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,000
me i'm just like okay uh next tuesday uh

881
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,670
right right right and uh have a great

882
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,079
weekend and what's so funny is having

883
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,760
done a number of interviews in the last

884
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,839
couple of years i have a lot of these

885
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,440
where they have you come into the green

886
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,720
room like

887
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,720
five to ten minutes before the show

888
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,640
right right so when you initially told

889
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,720
me 6 30 and that the show starts at

890
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,359
seven i go out to my wife i go this

891
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,200
guy's a professional how needy is he

892
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,800
needs me in the green room for a half an

893
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,880
hour what are we gonna am i gonna do a

894
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,880
tarot reading yeah yeah

895
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,960
like what are we gonna do is there like

896
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,800
a quick card game or do i have to do an

897
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,240
oath or something

898
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,880
even i was like 30 minutes of twiddle

899
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:15,040
and thumb seems like a long like

900
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,319
pre-interview i i had notes ready

901
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:21,119
like i said i lose sight of uh and thank

902
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,079
you for that you know what i need to

903
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,119
i need to get back to what is real

904
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,079
and and and have respect for everybody

905
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,640
else's uh environment so they totally

906
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,880
unders because i think that everybody

907
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,599
knows everything you know or or you can

908
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,200
read my mind

909
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,200
uh all right all right all right well i

910
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,720
do know everything and i can't read your

911
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,560
mind but in this case i wasn't paying

912
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,359
attention you know now um and and this

913
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,839
is great though

914
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:52,079
because uh one of the things that that i

915
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,520
enjoy is when i when i have guests on

916
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,839
and this happens uh more often than you

917
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,160
would think but but having guests on

918
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,560
that are professionals

919
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,800
in their craft whether it's theater

920
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,359
comedy film television

921
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,960
uh radio

922
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,359
and they have uh

923
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:13,760
they have been doing

924
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,200
something in the entertainment world for

925
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,400
a while

926
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,040
and they know how to have a conversation

927
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,760
and it's one of my favorite things to do

928
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,960
is to to have a guest on like yourself

929
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,359
uh for you it's it's comedy and stage

930
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,200
and and performance and and you've been

931
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,280
doing it since well we're going to talk

932
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,000
about that in a second but that natural

933
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,319
banter that goes back and forth

934
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,599
it is so much fun for me and it

935
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,160
translates right back to the audience

936
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,480
so that this is a good point to ask the

937
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,400
the obvious question

938
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,960
what came first for you

939
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,800
was it comedy

940
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,480
or was it

941
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,589
i started watching

942
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,640
in search of in 1977

943
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,760
right and i was born in 69 so that show

944
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,119
came on when i was eight years old

945
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,960
and that changed my whole world there

946
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,440
was no jimmy church there was no fade to

947
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,760
black there was no christina gomez there

948
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,440
was no micah hanks you couldn't turn on

949
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,920
ancient aliens or any of these things

950
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,680
whatever level you feel about these

951
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,920
different productions there are a myriad

952
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,079
of options across history channel and

953
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:30,640
learning channel not just so many

954
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,160
sources of information available

955
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,240
i didn't know i had an interest in this

956
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,200
but i saw that first pilot episode and

957
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,359
they talked about ufos and my is a

958
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:43,280
really smart guy was sitting there with

959
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,000
me

960
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,760
and he was like

961
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,960
this seems pretty real it really felt

962
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,280
and anyone who watched that show back in

963
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,920
the day it was that well plus it was

964
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:55,839
plus it was speeding

965
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,680
it was spock right you know and and

966
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,119
that was nimoy was hosting every episode

967
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,240
it was he had that gravitas he had that

968
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:08,960
jimmy church i have cigarettes on every

969
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,920
break voice yes he did he did he did and

970
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:12,880
and

971
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,480
directly

972
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:19,040
in search of because it was leonard

973
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,400
nimoy

974
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:23,440
suddenly had the street cred of like 60

975
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:24,400
minutes

976
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,079
right it was like right totally this is

977
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:29,839
uh

978
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,559
a magazine

979
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:34,480
you know presentation

980
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,720
on on ufos and in ancient egypt and and

981
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:41,280
and everything else that they covered on

982
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,400
that show

983
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,720
uh that were these fringe topics

984
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,559
presented in a way

985
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:49,040
that this was just like your nightly

986
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,000
news

987
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,559
and it was it was incredible it's the

988
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,319
first time you would hear

989
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:56,559
on nanaki or the first time you would

990
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:57,440
hear

991
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,079
sort of that was the first place that

992
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,000
really you know jimmy if you think there

993
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,520
was this

994
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,079
serious to semi-serious discussion about

995
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,680
ufos in the late 40s and the 1950s if

996
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,480
you look at tv and movies by the 60s

997
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,160
although blue book hadn't given up yet

998
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,599
they were they were they were getting

999
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:19,520
loose with it culture had given up on it

1000
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,720
as a serious a serious topic even before

1001
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:24,880
i was born

1002
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,240
this show on prime time on network tv

1003
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,880
tackling all of those topics you know

1004
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,319
they would they called it astral

1005
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:33,760
projection but they were talking about

1006
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,119
remote viewing in 1978 you know and they

1007
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,200
were really talking about the cia and

1008
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,280
these various programs the information

1009
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,800
was really ahead of its time for what

1010
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,520
they were doing yeah i went back and uh

1011
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:47,520
this is a couple of years ago

1012
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,880
and i went back and i watched all of in

1013
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:52,160
search of

1014
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:53,200
and

1015
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:58,319
did all of this at the same time chris

1016
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:59,119
um

1017
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,480
after that

1018
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,800
i'm in the middle of that and then i i

1019
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,760
went further back and i and i did all of

1020
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:08,880
the first two seasons of uh star trek i

1021
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,520
did uh the twilight zone and then i went

1022
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,359
back and watched

1023
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,920
uh chariots of the gods

1024
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,559
and and i realized

1025
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,880
since then i've watched chariots of the

1026
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,400
gods

1027
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,800
probably four times a year for the last

1028
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,880
three or four years i watch it all the

1029
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,640
time wow

1030
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:33,119
it is so timeless and and in search of

1031
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,319
hit me the same exact way

1032
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:38,400
yeah so that was the start for me at

1033
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,920
that age but comedy really i did plays

1034
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,480
and theater in the ensuing years all

1035
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,160
throughout the 80s and

1036
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,040
you know i'm i'm a heavy guy so i i you

1037
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,640
know you've seen my picture people see

1038
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,200
me do other interviews i'm a big guy so

1039
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,599
i was a a chris farley character on

1040
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:58,960
stage in the 1980s and there's a lot of

1041
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,119
reward to that there's a lot of laughter

1042
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,160
that goes with that but you are

1043
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,440
uh shoehorned into a clown role so i

1044
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:09,440
went into stand-up in college yeah in

1045
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,640
1991 at ucla and that's that's where

1046
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,040
that but i never lost the interest in

1047
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,680
ufos it's funny i talk about i tell

1048
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,079
people that some of those mysteries from

1049
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,240
my youth like the bermuda triangle or

1050
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,920
the loch ness monster some of those

1051
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,119
things

1052
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,119
there's only so much that could be done

1053
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,680
to research them that at some point i

1054
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,160
think just they i didn't discount them

1055
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,800
they just fell away from my interest but

1056
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,960
ufos were something that was always

1057
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,040
there there were always new reports even

1058
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:41,200
if it was in the background i remember

1059
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,880
the nid's website coming up right 1995.

1060
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,520
the internet was still relatively new

1061
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,920
and functional in the 90s and you could

1062
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,240
go on there and read case histories and

1063
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,040
read studies that the guys were i didn't

1064
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,280
didn't foresee the connection to bigelow

1065
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,359
and greer and all the things that came

1066
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,440
out of that at the time

1067
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:03,920
but yeah that stuff was always there i

1068
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,880
think there was this huge moment in 2001

1069
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:09,359
with the press club event yes with greer

1070
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,800
bringing all those military and faa type

1071
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,200
witnesses that was really in a lot of

1072
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,200
ways kind of the first step to what

1073
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:20,079
we're seeing now the first progressive

1074
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,359
step where

1075
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:23,040
all of these people were suddenly

1076
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,720
talking about it so yeah i i think

1077
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,720
comedy is something i i've been paid to

1078
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,160
do a lot over the years and something

1079
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,079
i've enjoyed doing a lot over the years

1080
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,079
but ufos is just like a personal

1081
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,079
interest that's always been there and

1082
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,760
it's how i ended up at the debrief i

1083
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,599
mostly write science over there i don't

1084
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,160
cover a lot of ufo material unless it

1085
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,800
overlaps with nasa or one of the big

1086
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,880
science agencies which it occasionally

1087
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,680
does

1088
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,760
but it's uh it's how i got into this

1089
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,520
community it's how i joined up with the

1090
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,160
guys over there and uh yeah it's been

1091
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,599
with me since 1977. did you um

1092
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,119
incorporate

1093
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,800
uh ufos and e.t into your comedy and i

1094
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,880
say that because

1095
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,280
i watch a lot of stand-up comedy

1096
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:10,240
and over the last year

1097
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,480
this thing it seems like every comedian

1098
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,079
that i see now

1099
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:19,839
will tell a ufo or e.t joke in in their

1100
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,800
act and i don't remember this uh in

1101
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,240
years past

1102
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,240
so if it's gone into pop culture with

1103
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,760
stand-up comedy

1104
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,079
uh you've pretty much

1105
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,480
you know you're a global thing now did

1106
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,680
you have ufos and e.t in your stand up

1107
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,599
uh not really but i'll tell you what's

1108
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,040
interesting you know every once in a

1109
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,920
while i might touch on it in a uh like

1110
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,760
the corny way that people do like an

1111
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,359
alien abduction reference or something

1112
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,119
but i didn't have any material written

1113
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,119
about it here's the insight though that

1114
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:51,520
i think i can give you here jimmy

1115
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,319
when

1116
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,800
i was at at the ucla comedy club we got

1117
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:57,440
to have these guest hosts come on and

1118
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,160
host the show so there'd be a an actual

1119
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,240
because we were in la right we could get

1120
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,960
an actual mainstream celebrity comedy

1121
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,200
host like a david spade or somebody they

1122
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,800
would come in host the show sarah

1123
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,040
silverman and then all the comedians

1124
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,200
would would you know we would we would

1125
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,720
battle for the number of spots but a

1126
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,960
half a dozen of us would get to go up

1127
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,319
every week and perform with these

1128
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:19,599
headliners

1129
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:22,960
seinfeld and

1130
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,839
at that time it was just when his show

1131
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,559
had started but they were not sure if it

1132
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,240
was the seinfeld tv show was going to

1133
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,640
make it it struggled in the ratings its

1134
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,920
first year and it had all this great

1135
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,520
critical acclaim

1136
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,920
and he would we got the opportunities as

1137
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,839
student comedians to sit around and pick

1138
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:41,119
his brain

1139
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,559
and he said if you're going to be

1140
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,720
serious about comedy and you really want

1141
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,200
to do this for a living he said you just

1142
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,280
need to treat it like any other job and

1143
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,280
what he does every morning is he gets up

1144
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:52,720
he has breakfast does his morning

1145
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:55,680
routine he is at his desk by 9 a.m like

1146
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,119
a like a 20th century job right

1147
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,920
he does comedy writing from eight to

1148
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,480
nine a.m to noon has his lunch does it

1149
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,440
in the afternoon and whatever phone

1150
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,200
calls business are mixed in of course

1151
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,480
you do your business

1152
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,920
but that is dedicated time every day and

1153
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,480
in the 80s what that meant was our early

1154
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,640
90s was going through all the newspapers

1155
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,960
what is everybody talking about right

1156
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,599
now so in many ways if you go to a

1157
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,119
comedy club

1158
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,960
you're just seeing like a mini version

1159
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,640
of what happens in the writers room at

1160
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,880
the tonight show or in the writers room

1161
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,800
at jimmy kimmel or one of these where

1162
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,960
the comedians go through and go what is

1163
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,680
everybody talking about and it's not

1164
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,599
always just cultural stuff lots of times

1165
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:42,160
it's something like ufos that really for

1166
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,359
the last

1167
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,480
four plus years now is on everybody's

1168
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,240
news feed and i think

1169
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,240
when it really went into hyperdrive in

1170
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:51,920
the last year year and a half during the

1171
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,880
pandemic with a lot of these legislative

1172
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,880
movements and dod movements and things

1173
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,319
like that

1174
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,040
comics are going in the newspaper just

1175
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,640
like a job and they're going they're

1176
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,400
going on the on their website they're

1177
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,480
going to huffington post or they're

1178
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,240
going to their yahoo feed or they're

1179
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,839
going to their daily beast or wherever

1180
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,200
they get their news

1181
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:12,559
and they're digging through they're

1182
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,440
going

1183
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,599
what are people talking about and yeah

1184
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,160
if you go to a comedy club on any given

1185
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,160
night and you were told nothing else

1186
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,160
that's going on in the world if you sit

1187
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,760
through three hours of stand up you'll

1188
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,200
know what's going on in the world

1189
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,760
because across those comics whether

1190
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,680
they're interested in fashion or music

1191
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,599
or science or whatever they're gonna

1192
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,079
talk about what's in the news now yeah

1193
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,880
and uh david chappelle's latest netflix

1194
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,520
special which i'm sure uh you've seen

1195
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:40,720
and it's great

1196
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,079
um he goes so you know i got kovid i i

1197
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,000
had the quarantine for two weeks

1198
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:48,480
and uh i'm locked up in this hotel room

1199
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,240
and for two weeks i watched youtube ufo

1200
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,799
videos

1201
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,760
and and and how mainstream is it when

1202
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,400
you've got you know chappelle and what's

1203
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,559
what's going to be undoubtedly the

1204
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,640
biggest netflix comedy special of the

1205
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,440
year with the most views and the biggest

1206
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,680
reach and it is chappelle

1207
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,000
saying ufos are real which is what came

1208
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:15,599
out of his mouth by the way it was uh uh

1209
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,440
pretty pretty amazing now let's let's do

1210
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,200
this too as well before we get to the

1211
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,839
break ufos are one thing

1212
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,599
comedy is one thing

1213
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,319
and then science is another now i don't

1214
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,000
have a degree in science i don't have

1215
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,400
that i i don't

1216
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,640
um i think that sometimes i might be

1217
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:36,400
smarter than some of these physicists

1218
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,680
out there um and i do study this subject

1219
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,720
i study it a lot and i read

1220
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:45,839
so much into this subject what got you

1221
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,440
into the hard sciences part of this

1222
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,280
it's interesting i had a discussion

1223
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,119
right when i first started writing at

1224
00:56:58,349 --> 00:56:55,920
the debrief i had a discussion with a

1225
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,359
unnamed scientist who's a an

1226
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,280
astrobiologist working for nasa now this

1227
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,440
person's job

1228
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,760
is to look for life on other planets

1229
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,200
right

1230
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,799
and i'm lining up an interview with them

1231
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,640
to talk about their job

1232
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,720
and they come back to me and cancel the

1233
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,520
interview now this is the only

1234
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,520
interview that's been canceled

1235
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,280
since i've worked at the debrief other

1236
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,720
than you know you flaking on me

1237
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:23,280
yesterday yes so

1238
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,240
so

1239
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,359
uh

1240
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,079
she more or less after some back and

1241
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:29,680
forth emails trying to get to the nuts

1242
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,240
and bolts she was uncomfortable with the

1243
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:34,240
with the ufo coverage on the debrief now

1244
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:35,599
keep in mind

1245
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,040
98 literally mathematically 98 of our

1246
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,119
articles do not cover that topic

1247
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,160
like literally 2 out of 100 will address

1248
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:46,960
that topic in some months it might be 4

1249
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,280
out of 100 articles but it is a very

1250
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,640
small number

1251
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,079
at the beginning it's true we were a

1252
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,880
little heavier so so when when i was

1253
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,520
told this by this astrobiologist i said

1254
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,040
you know i tried to fight get them to

1255
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,359
come on and give me and they just

1256
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,119
flat wouldn't do it

1257
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,599
what i think is ironic and i tell people

1258
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,359
this all the time

1259
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,559
readers that come to the debris for ufos

1260
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,440
are reading about science all day

1261
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,040
they're coming and learning about hard

1262
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,040
science that's what happened to me i'm a

1263
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,720
guy who was watching

1264
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,119
in search of and they're talking about

1265
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,680
the pyramids so i'm reading books i can

1266
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,640
on the pyramids but among those books

1267
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,280
are are not just robert skoke and graham

1268
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,839
hancock but are these mainstream

1269
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,559
scientists you know even zaki hawas you

1270
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,440
know

1271
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:37,280
collaborating with people so you would

1272
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,480
learn this

1273
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,119
the mainstream component i tell people

1274
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,720
all the time i like watching ancient

1275
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,359
aliens not so much for the theories

1276
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,440
because i think we all have our own and

1277
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,359
although some are interesting but other

1278
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,680
than watching george suclose who is one

1279
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,640
of the

1280
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,400
best paid professional comedians who

1281
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,400
doesn't actually know he's a comedian on

1282
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,829
yes do you have no no no no i was just

1283
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,960
uh contemplating

1284
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:07,280
and pondering the significance of that

1285
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,839
statement yeah so they talk about

1286
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,079
mainstream like it's the only tv show

1287
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,079
where you're gonna see

1288
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,640
inside these pyramids in vietnam or

1289
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,359
inside these you know various structures

1290
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,079
in mexico these olmec you know so you're

1291
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,240
gonna see mainstream

1292
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,160
uh archaeology

1293
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,599
covered with a

1294
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,520
flashy

1295
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,280
that sells the show

1296
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,599
but what you do is you introduce a bunch

1297
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,000
of people to that mainstream science and

1298
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,319
i can tell you in the time i've been at

1299
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:41,599
the debrief

1300
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:45,200
my my dms and my private messages i get

1301
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:46,880
from readers and emails i get from

1302
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,920
readers have gone from asking me when

1303
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:52,480
are we going to see the triangle photo

1304
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,359
to

1305
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,520
what are the chances that the james webb

1306
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,599
telescope is going to spot signs of life

1307
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,920
around another planet now let's keep in

1308
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,079
mind i want to see the triangle photo

1309
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,640
like nobody's business right like i

1310
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,960
happen to work with people that give me

1311
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,119
a fair amount of confidence that that's

1312
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,680
a real photo and that real people have

1313
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,000
really seen that so don't get me wrong

1314
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,400
but at the same time

1315
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,040
this crawl that we're going through of

1316
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,680
looking for life in the clouds of venus

1317
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,920
looking for life on mars looking for

1318
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,240
signs of life around trappist-1 a

1319
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:28,400
exoplanet system that's 40 light years

1320
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,359
away

1321
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,119
these sort of things

1322
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,760
will build to the point because you

1323
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,359
don't hear mainstream scientists

1324
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,520
discounting ufos the way they used to

1325
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,680
right because when they used to discount

1326
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,880
them we didn't even know they were

1327
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,799
planets around other stars and certainly

1328
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,079
didn't know there'd be ones in the

1329
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,720
habitable zone that were rocky we didn't

1330
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,319
know they were going to be commonplace

1331
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:51,280
and everywhere so much information has

1332
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,559
progressed

1333
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,119
that what happens when we start finding

1334
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,160
life even microbial life across the

1335
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,960
galaxy then you get to a discussion with

1336
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,359
scientists where you say this so you're

1337
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,359
telling me life is everywhere you're

1338
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,880
telling me you believe life is

1339
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,520
everywhere a pretty common position by

1340
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,079
scientists now by the way

1341
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,520
and you're telling me earth has only

1342
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,000
been here for four billion years but the

1343
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:18,960
cosmos has been here for almost 14. so

1344
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,520
some of that life has a 10 billion a

1345
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,480
year head start on us give or take

1346
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,640
you're telling me somewhere in there

1347
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,160
there hasn't been

1348
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,880
uh advancement and technology so what

1349
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:32,000
you're really telling me is you don't

1350
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,920
believe in evolution you think evolution

1351
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:35,760
only happens here

1352
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:37,839
because if life is prevalent across the

1353
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,319
cosmos and most of that life had a

1354
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,839
pretty good head start on us because

1355
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,160
we've only been around in human form for

1356
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,559
half a million years yes uh

1357
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,280
it's a really you start getting to the

1358
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,920
point where you start checking boxes on

1359
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,160
the drake equation right and you get to

1360
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,119
the end of that box and you go

1361
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:58,799
they're probably everywhere they're

1362
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,160
probably more advanced than us and if so

1363
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,039
we send probes everywhere at minimum

1364
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,200
even without warp drive even without the

1365
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,280
most exotic of propulsion

1366
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,119
there are definitely probes here

1367
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,520
checking us out or there is no life

1368
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,000
anywhere we're living in a simulation

1369
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,839
because there's really the option or

1370
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,359
there is a god

1371
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,680
he or she built this crazy cosmos and

1372
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:23,760
just put us in it because if this

1373
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,480
universe operates on the natural laws if

1374
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,640
we look at other star system we see we

1375
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,960
saw a planet we see planets with water

1376
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:33,119
in the atmosphere the material that

1377
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,960
we're all made of is so common the

1378
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,200
material our solar system is so common

1379
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,920
across the cosmos there's almost no

1380
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,240
scientific argument against life in the

1381
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,520
cosmos anymore no there isn't and and to

1382
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:47,839
think you know with that 10 billion year

1383
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,119
jump start where we here on this planet

1384
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,799
i've got to take a break in 15 seconds

1385
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,319
that on this planet that we've done

1386
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,400
great things that we've been to the moon

1387
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,680
and and

1388
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,440
and we have been milking that

1389
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,760
achievement for a long time by the way

1390
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,079
going to the moon when you look at the

1391
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,880
universe i mean that to me to aliens to

1392
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,200
et that kind of achievement

1393
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,799
that's like uh

1394
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,359
going out to your driveway and opening

1395
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,599
up the trunk of your car

1396
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,200
that's the achievement we've done we

1397
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:18,720
haven't we haven't done anything

1398
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,160
spectacular not yet and e.t

1399
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is way out in front of us and there's a

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lot of it out there let's take our break

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right here our guest tonight the one and

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only chris

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we're gonna talk science when we come

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back and uh this is the deal

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if i learn

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you learn that's just how it works

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on the game changer and on x networks

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black stay with us we'll be right

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hello this is serena wright taylor from

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conscious life expo and you're listening

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this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

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report and you're listening to jimmy

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church on fade to black

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[Music]

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01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,960
welcome back faded black our guest

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tonight chris plain head science writer

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over at the debrief

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this is the deal oh oh oh oh before we

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move on

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01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,560
i was gonna save this for tomorrow night

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01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,960
but it's over in the chat room right now

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01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,040
uh i'm glad you're sitting down chris

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01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,199
check this out tomorrow

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01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,799
linda moulton howe

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wow 80 years old

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wow

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right

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80 years old and uh i'm gonna be with

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01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,920
linda in a couple of weeks over at uh

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01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,440
the conscious life expo we're doing a

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01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,440
bunch of events together and and she's

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01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:43,679
one of the best and i just did a movie

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01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:46,719
with her uh and it was it was awesome

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01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,600
and but uh i she's somebody i know

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01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,279
pretty well we do a lot of hanging out

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01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,000
and a lot of uh a lot of uh uh

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information sharing and conversations

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she is

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she ain't 80. i'll just say that i i i

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that is

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01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,560
what you know

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um obviously 80 is the new 40 apparently

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but uh

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so yeah linda mullen how 80 years old uh

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tomorrow so this is the coolest thing

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01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,000
about the jimmy church show the micah

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hanks program these ones i listen to is

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01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,280
you guys are here before 2017

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so and i got no problem with people that

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01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,920
have come on since news became big no

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01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,159
problem but the people like you that

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01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,520
have been there through that arc you

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01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,600
know i was always this guy i would see

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01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:33,360
it on tv i would hear it on coast to

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coast

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i would play with it on the internet but

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these were people i didn't know these

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were people and meanwhile when i talked

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to micah hanks and i can mention you

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know it doesn't matter i can mention

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stanton friedman he'll go oh yeah you

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01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,600
know stan i have lunch with him but

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linda molten how he go i was in a crop

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circle cattle mutilation thing whatever

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01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,159
you know boom like right to these people

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01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,159
it doesn't matter bud hopkins oh yeah

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bud whitley streamer it doesn't matter

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and that's amazing because

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there was this this community of people

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holding the torch you know keeping the

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flame going from the end of blue book

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forward really i mean you talk about the

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invisible college it really was

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yeah this these two components of people

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within the military industrial complex

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continuing to go

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things are flying around we don't know

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what they are and they're doing stuff we

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don't know how it works

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01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,520
that was always the work in the

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01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,520
background there was the intellectuals

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the actual invisible college they call

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01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,600
it looking at it scientifically but

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there was these people brave and out on

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the front lines there were people doing

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these

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you know george nori and art bell and

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these sort of people that were out there

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01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,760
lyndon will now these people that were

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were either talking about it

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broadcasting about it or actually

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01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,360
researching it that carried that through

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the dark times and now

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when we're in a place that feels i tell

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people this all the time one of the

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benefits of age one of the benefits of

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living through

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philip corso's book coming out in real

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time bob lazar's book coming out in real

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01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,159
time that first whitley strieber

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01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,520
communion coming out in real time and

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01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,760
living through those moments in history

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01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,440
gives you a perspective and my

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01:12:14,669 --> 01:12:13,679
perspective within that is

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this is

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unprecedented these last four years are

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like nothing in any of that 50 50 48

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01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,640
years i lived before now yeah okay i

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would say 5 000 years

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01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,840
right and and here and i'm you know it's

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01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,080
funny you say all of that because

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i'm still a fan boy

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01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,199
and

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i don't uh

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01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,480
i don't know how my phone

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01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,480
if uh you ever get the chance chris come

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01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,320
on over to the house just hang out with

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01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,320
me for six or eight hours

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01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:48,560
and and watch my phone

1613
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:51,600
and and and and see who and and

1614
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:54,400
the i'm i'm still a fan boy

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01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,360
and

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01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,640
these

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01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:58,719
people that i grew up with

1618
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,000
right are calling me asking me questions

1619
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,159
so wait a minute wait a minute wait a

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01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,000
minute here

1621
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,920
it's supposed to be the other way around

1622
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:10,080
and and i have not lost sight of it man

1623
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:13,440
i am completely humbled uh by

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01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,000
by all of that it's but for me to be

1625
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,920
able to reach out yeah and and have

1626
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,239
these conversations uh is just

1627
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,960
extraordinary to me uh and i i'll never

1628
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,320
get over it

1629
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,040
every time every time that uh

1630
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:29,280
uh they're on this show or we have a

1631
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,159
conversation i'm still thinking into the

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01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:34,719
back don't lose don't lose your shite

1633
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:35,760
church

1634
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,640
you got to be professional here

1635
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,239
but i'm just as humbled i'm just as

1636
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:43,040
humbled now now here's the thing

1637
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,320
um

1638
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,640
talking about science

1639
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:47,840
and

1640
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,560
getting into these subjects

1641
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:52,800
when you're a writer

1642
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,679
uh uh writing about these subjects you

1643
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:57,840
have to be

1644
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,560
as correct as you can be as your

1645
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:02,960
research allows these days you're not

1646
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,199
allowed mistakes right that's true i

1647
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,120
texted you earlier today you only get

1648
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:09,920
one hall pass right yeah right did i not

1649
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,000
text you that earlier today

1650
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,679
and uh when i was trying to be five

1651
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,560
minutes late for a 30-minute green room

1652
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,880
hangout that seemed completely pointless

1653
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,960
and i gave him two hall passes

1654
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,640
but but today you don't you don't get

1655
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,800
that hall pass you have to be correct

1656
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,760
and

1657
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,360
when you are

1658
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:29,040
writing uh

1659
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:30,480
uh

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01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,520
you know a half a million a million

1661
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,800
clicks on it

1662
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:38,800
you are exposed to people that are out

1663
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:41,760
there to also

1664
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:44,239
bust your bubble come at you and check

1665
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:45,600
your facts

1666
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,120
and so let's start right here

1667
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:51,600
a warp bubble

1668
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:55,360
just that right there opens the door

1669
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,719
to some amazing science is some heavily

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01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,880
researched subjects

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01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,360
by individuals that have

1672
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:06,400
10 15 20 years of professional

1673
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:10,080
uh education behind them and research

1674
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:12,159
and now you're going to choose to write

1675
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,199
about it as the head science writer yeah

1676
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,679
a layman yeah you've got veritable like

1677
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:19,920
my degree is in political science which

1678
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,159
has nothing to do with the

1679
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,719
actual site right right right yeah and

1680
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,840
so

1681
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,679
i'm going to start right there

1682
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,600
yeah what's your definition of award

1683
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,760
whether intentionally or not jimmy by

1684
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,520
bringing up the warp bubble story which

1685
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,840
is my biggest red story at the debrief

1686
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:38,480
uh it gets to the heart of exactly what

1687
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:41,440
you're talking about on two levels first

1688
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,960
of all yes

1689
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,239
understanding the science like the

1690
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:47,600
ability

1691
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:51,040
to to read a research paper that is

1692
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,920
heavy in physics heavy in chemistry

1693
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,840
heavy in the science that i'm writing

1694
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,520
about a lot of cognitive science

1695
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,920
material things like that i write about

1696
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,120
really

1697
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:03,679
is just born out of a lifetime of

1698
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,159
interest just born out of being somebody

1699
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:08,159
who read sites you know when i got hired

1700
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,040
at the debrief i said i go to phys.org

1701
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,080
and archive.org for fun like i read this

1702
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:16,800
stuff because i'm curious about it i

1703
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,920
don't have any fantastical education or

1704
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,760
amazing intellect i just have an

1705
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,480
excellent a high level of curiosity

1706
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:27,360
about science and a breadth of reading

1707
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,480
material that an auto didact level of

1708
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:32,560
information that when i talk to

1709
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,719
scientists they can tell i at least

1710
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,400
understand what they're trying to tell

1711
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,880
me so if i don't understand what they're

1712
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,120
actually telling me we share enough

1713
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,760
vocabulary and we share enough ability

1714
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,400
that they can get me there

1715
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,719
so in the case of the warp bubble story

1716
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,360
that's an amazing story

1717
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,679
i have written about a separate story

1718
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,159
about how twitter

1719
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,040
is the perfect place to not put

1720
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:01,280
disinformation where facebook is great

1721
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:03,679
for disinformation because the groups

1722
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,320
are so much more curated where facebook

1723
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,640
or twitter is so much more open that if

1724
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,480
you put up something that's wrong people

1725
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,320
will shoot you down that's right that's

1726
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,199
right so here comes my warp bubble story

1727
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,600
and without rehashing the whole history

1728
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,640
of it i spent months and months working

1729
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:23,360
on that story i interviewed multiple

1730
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,280
people scientists i had outside

1731
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,440
scientists looking at the research

1732
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,199
confirming because i knew if i'm going

1733
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,199
to publish a headline that says

1734
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,760
scientist creates first warp bubble in a

1735
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,000
lab that that is probably going to go

1736
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,199
beyond my typical 50 000 viewer type of

1737
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:41,440
article my everyday article right i know

1738
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:43,920
this is the type of story that has the

1739
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:46,880
chances to go to factors of that so

1740
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:49,679
i know i have something here and the

1741
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,400
person that is behind this story

1742
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,800
is sunny harold sunny white

1743
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,640
one of the warp drive pioneers who

1744
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,360
worked at nasa created eagle works

1745
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,280
brought all of that research with him

1746
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:03,600
from nasa the only nasa scientist to

1747
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,960
work on uh to have had a project on warp

1748
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:09,360
drive while at nasa

1749
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:12,159
and in his private lab while doing

1750
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,840
research for the pentagon on completely

1751
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:18,080
something else completely

1752
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,560
they saw what they believe in their

1753
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:23,360
research was a warp bubble

1754
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:26,239
i misunderstood him i thought they had

1755
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,159
physically created now

1756
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:31,040
in his mind the difference is technical

1757
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,719
that they have laid the blueprint this

1758
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,239
is how you build it and they're probably

1759
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:36,480
gonna build it but to me i took it as

1760
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,080
that so it's interesting you brought up

1761
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,239
about getting facts right because of the

1762
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,400
probably 200 plus articles i've written

1763
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,320
at the debrief over the last year a

1764
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,560
little over a year

1765
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,960
i've had maybe six or seven

1766
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:51,360
where a fact is wrong and i will get an

1767
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,159
email or a text message and it's almost

1768
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:57,600
always the misspelling of someone's name

1769
01:19:05,590 --> 01:18:58,480
or

1770
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,600
know like you read my my book bio from a

1771
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:06,880
year ago when

1772
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,800
titan was supposed to come out last year

1773
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,239
but he started working at the debris if

1774
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,400
it got put off to this year so i'm we're

1775
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,840
sometimes just working with old

1776
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:15,920
information but on this one

1777
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:19,040
i had a a critical point that the story

1778
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,800
was still the story but this critical

1779
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,960
point was off right

1780
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,239
so

1781
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,440
i put the story out we have this amazing

1782
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:29,920
reaction right it's taking off i'm

1783
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,400
getting text updates from tim mcmillan

1784
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,719
on how many viewers are on the site and

1785
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,400
our web guys going

1786
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:38,640
this story's exploding chrissy newton

1787
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,600
our pr host is reaching out to me saying

1788
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:43,840
i'm getting contacted by media people

1789
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,199
want to talk about this warp bubble

1790
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,400
what happens is on twitter

1791
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,360
along with the enthusiasm is this small

1792
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:55,600
but

1793
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,159
well educated group

1794
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,000
when you look at their profiles that are

1795
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,040
coming on going this is not how i read

1796
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,120
this research right i'm looking at

1797
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,679
chris's article and i see they've laid

1798
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,199
the blueprint for a wart bubble what

1799
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,199
they think is the word bubble and sunny

1800
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,280
white knows the word bubble but they

1801
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:15,600
haven't created this thing in the lab

1802
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,560
yet right they have laid the foundation

1803
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:20,560
for it to sonny the difference as he

1804
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,880
told me was semantics but as a news

1805
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,120
reporter putting a headline based on

1806
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,120
what he told me in interviews and that

1807
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,800
you know when i reached back to him he

1808
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,360
you know said okay yes i probably

1809
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,360
you know there was a misunderstanding of

1810
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:35,120
what analog means and again it's a

1811
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,600
perfect example by not being educated

1812
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:39,920
formally in science i didn't know that

1813
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,480
that term was used a certain way so when

1814
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,639
i congratulated him on an analog he says

1815
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,120
no we haven't created an analog we have

1816
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,440
created a real-life warp bubble albeit a

1817
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:51,280
tiny one but we have created a warp

1818
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,040
bubble that quote opens my story right

1819
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,360
we have created a wart bubble so that's

1820
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,679
my headline as it turns out they have

1821
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,239
created the blueprint for one yes and

1822
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,560
when i say congratulations on an analog

1823
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,560
analog is something they do use in

1824
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,400
science like an analog of a black hole

1825
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:09,920
in the lab because if you create a real

1826
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,080
black hole it'll suck up the whole lab

1827
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,920
right so they have to create what's

1828
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:16,159
called an analog so they're just a minor

1829
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,199
difference

1830
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,760
my lack of formal education specifically

1831
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:21,760
in that area

1832
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:22,880
and

1833
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:33,840
wrong sort of twitter stuff but i would

1834
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,400
get dms because my dms are always open

1835
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,320
at plane fiction

1836
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,040
and uh at plane underscore fiction sorry

1837
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,120
at plain underscore fiction on twitter

1838
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,840
so i get dms from scientists within a

1839
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,159
very quick amount of time saying hey

1840
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:49,679
chris you know

1841
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:52,239
this is a mistake this one segment of

1842
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,560
your story is not right

1843
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,639
so i reach out to sunny after a lot of

1844
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,320
back and forth we correct the story i

1845
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,800
did a full interview on it on the ucr

1846
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,400
the singularity lab their their

1847
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:04,719
collateral show and i i gave the whole

1848
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,560
backstory to it but yeah that is

1849
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:10,719
while i'm proud of the fact that i read

1850
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,280
these complex i mean there are times i

1851
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,120
walk out to my wife and i've been in the

1852
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,120
office all day and there's smoke coming

1853
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,960
out of my ears and i go

1854
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:20,800
i've been reading about this study on

1855
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,120
the martian meteorite and i don't know

1856
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,960
what they're saying i don't know what th

1857
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:27,040
and sometimes i go back in and i'm i'm

1858
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,440
googling individual words going what

1859
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:30,960
does that mean

1860
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,480
but by the time i put a story out

1861
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:37,040
i feel like i understand it that i know

1862
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,239
what they're talking about they know

1863
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,080
what the researchers have found whether

1864
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,560
it's uh the gateway to consciousness

1865
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,800
which is something i wrote about whether

1866
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,040
it's how psychedelics can help with

1867
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,679
depression or whether it's a wart bubble

1868
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,480
i feel like i know the subject i've

1869
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,280
digested a lot of information about it i

1870
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,440
read the studies i read

1871
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,920
analysis i read all kinds of information

1872
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,840
listen watch videos listen to these

1873
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,280
people sometimes

1874
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,280
and try and put that in a

1875
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,320
800 word to 1200 word blurred that my

1876
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,800
audience can get and that they can read

1877
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:11,679
and go

1878
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,719
okay

1879
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:15,040
this new cancer treatment is giving

1880
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,000
people night vision and now i know why i

1881
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:19,920
don't need a chemistry degree or a

1882
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,560
cognitive science degree i just know

1883
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,840
that this thing's kicking these little

1884
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,440
proteins off in the eye that are making

1885
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,360
it more active and people are seeing at

1886
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,560
night when they get this cancer

1887
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,280
treatment now and and uh by the way i

1888
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:33,520
was about 10 of those clicks on the warp

1889
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,320
bubble uh article fantastic and i also

1890
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:38,880
um i'm going to stay right here though

1891
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:41,920
um i also watched

1892
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,800
how viral the story went throughout uh

1893
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:48,480
all of the other media outlets around

1894
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,440
the world

1895
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,400
and and that was the headline right

1896
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,199
scientist creates warp drive yeah

1897
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,400
it was right and it is it clickbait

1898
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,719
i don't i i don't consider it that and

1899
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:03,120
this is my question

1900
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,000
is that once you put out that idea

1901
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,159
to other physicists and to other

1902
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,159
scientists out there with an article

1903
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:13,520
like this

1904
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,239
and they can go back and not only read

1905
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,080
the article but think about their own

1906
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:19,679
current research

1907
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:22,719
suddenly we've got everybody considering

1908
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,840
uh warp drives warp bubbles and

1909
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:27,600
considerations for alternative

1910
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:30,639
propulsion systems and that's how you

1911
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:34,320
start with the german of an idea which

1912
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,199
is what this article presupposes

1913
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:39,120
i think

1914
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,760
i'll disagree with you on is because i

1915
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,080
got it wrong it ended up functioning as

1916
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,400
clickbait yeah and ended up functioning

1917
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,560
as and i think that's a critical point

1918
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,960
that it functions people going hey look

1919
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,800
scientists built a warp warp ship and

1920
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,560
they clicked on it and they found out

1921
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,480
about the blueprint the guy had built

1922
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,159
for a warp you know here's the here's

1923
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,239
the plan to build one that would

1924
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:04,080
actually work and testable it was still

1925
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,760
a critical step and something i could

1926
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,600
have written an entire

1927
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,960
still would have been a great story

1928
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:10,320
still would have been

1929
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:11,679
but it would have been a slightly

1930
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,239
modified headline a slightly modified

1931
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,880
but the story was still the story that

1932
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:18,880
in the science world especially

1933
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,400
alternative propulsion the vast vast

1934
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,199
vast majority of these live purely in

1935
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,000
theory they live in this world of

1936
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,159
formulas and all it would take this much

1937
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:32,560
exotic matter and this much negative

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01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:35,679
energy and x y and z and voila you got a

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warp ship

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here was a guy who had been

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01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:41,760
as deep in that theory as anyone had the

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01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,560
alcubierre white warp drive as miguel

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01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,719
alcubierre the first mathematician to

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01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,000
put it together right mexican

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01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,960
mathematician and sunny harold harold g

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01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:52,560
sunny white the alcubierre white

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01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,040
wardrobe here's a guy as deep in that

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01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,880
theory as anyone

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01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:58,560
and here he is

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saying

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we have a testable

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buildable

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microscopic scale but a minuscule but

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01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,800
not microscopic we're talking

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01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:10,800
micrometers not nanometers so we're

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talking physically little tiny warp ship

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01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,280
but a physical thing that we can now yes

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01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,600
put out to people and say if you have

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01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:21,360
the lab if you have the facilities

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01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:23,679
because he's still knee-deep in this uh

1961
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,320
you know uh it's not air force research

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01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,320
labs i forget who's funding him but he's

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01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,480
still knee-deep in a study and he can't

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01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,800
jump over and go build this little thing

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01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,199
but as you're saying

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01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:37,440
he's now put out to the world to the

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01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,239
people that study alternative propulsion

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01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,400
to those engineers who build these

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01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,000
testable things

1970
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:46,159
here's how you make it and he even told

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01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,880
me here's the 3d printer i would use

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01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,040
here's the material i would use here's

1973
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:53,440
the sizes it would be here's the test we

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01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:56,960
would run he gave me all of that so

1975
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:59,199
you know ultimately

1976
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,159
it moved it from theory

1977
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,080
to us you know there's a if you watch

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01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:06,960
the big bang theory you had theoretical

1979
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,199
physicists like sheldon who thought of

1980
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,280
crazy ideas and you have applied

1981
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,440
physicists like leonard who figure out

1982
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,120
how to build that and then you have

1983
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:17,040
engineers like wallace who go and build

1984
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,199
the thing right this is now at the

1985
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:21,679
applied engineering stage as far as this

1986
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:22,880
so it's a

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01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:26,719
significant quantum leap for warp drives

1988
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:30,080
but yes it's still function as so

1989
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:31,920
i don't love the fact that the headline

1990
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,560
was wrong because it's as as one of the

1991
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,560
more successful pieces i've written but

1992
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,159
at the same point super proud of the

1993
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,080
research and i think you're right

1994
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,880
that it now serves as a highway and i

1995
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:44,639
got a lot of positive feedback from

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01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:46,719
scientists who said essentially what

1997
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,280
sonny said which is you took the time to

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01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,600
try and understand this information and

1999
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:53,280
conveyed something very critical to

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01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,880
hundreds of thousands you know if not

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01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,159
millions of people

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01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,080
and yeah it was picked up in france it

2003
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,760
was picked up in a bunch of countries

2004
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,920
because it was a big story it was a huge

2005
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,159
story and uh before we get to the break

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01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,120
we've got about five minutes um is is

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01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:11,270
the

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01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,480
ideas behind that drive

2009
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,920
were unreal

2010
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:22,400
and the way that he presents it but

2011
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:24,560
he also i'm going to use the word

2012
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,360
debunked he debunked his own idea when

2013
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:29,840
he said okay this is all cool

2014
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,480
it's possible but it would take the

2015
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,639
energy of the known universe

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01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:37,280
right to to power this thing up and so

2017
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,320
that just killed the drive idea

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01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,560
and when we look at you know the

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01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,199
collection of negative matter

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01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:47,040
uh that you would need to power these

2021
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:49,600
drives and open up a wormhole and and

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01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:52,000
the ideas behind this

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01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:53,040
is that

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01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,320
we would then

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01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,600
see

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01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,080
galaxies disappear

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01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,000
because they needed the energy from said

2028
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,840
galaxy right

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01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,400
it can't be that way

2030
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,080
you know what's interesting is how far

2031
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:08,719
we've okay but let me finish though

2032
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,080
et is able to do this

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01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:14,560
in a much more simplistic way

2034
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,040
it's easy for them to do they're not

2035
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:19,600
burning up a galaxy to put into their

2036
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,880
fuel tank

2037
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,400
there's something else going on don't

2038
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,679
you think

2039
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:25,760
well you know son i do

2040
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:27,440
i think there's no doubt and i think

2041
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,320
what's critical here is in the jimmy the

2042
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,400
short amount of time we've come

2043
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,120
from the 1990s when miguel alcubierre

2044
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:37,199
the mexican physicist wrote this first

2045
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,000
map

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01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,239
to when sunny white refined it was only

2047
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:42,239
a decade later in 2005 and when he

2048
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:43,760
refined that

2049
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,440
he took that negative there was a one

2050
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:46,880
refinement that had brought the negative

2051
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,280
energy down from like a galaxy size to

2052
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:51,440
the size of jupiter right so like all

2053
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,960
right here we have this

2054
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,560
theoretical matter that we've never

2055
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,960
created that's never existed anywhere

2056
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,280
and theoretically has this type energy

2057
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,280
and if we can create a jupiter amount of

2058
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,360
it we can feel our warp drive sunny

2059
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:05,040
white got that down to about the size of

2060
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:08,480
an suv so now that's what the alcubierre

2061
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:11,199
white warp drive refinement and it was

2062
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,400
just by changing the shape to a toroid

2063
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,480
donut shape that they would put it was

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01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:18,159
literally just

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01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,840
calculus that no one had done before

2066
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:21,440
because nobody was even working on this

2067
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:23,679
warp drive with any math before

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01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:26,719
alcubierre wrote it so yeah i think

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01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:27,520
who

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01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,760
practical one has been made by any

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01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,239
species anywhere

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01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:36,000
i think it's maybe even very possible

2073
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:37,520
they're using something called a low

2074
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,760
power warp drive which people have

2075
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,280
proposed and i've written a little bit

2076
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:44,000
about and nasa veteran jacob sarfati has

2077
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:46,320
talked about and uh

2078
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:48,080
that may have been the tic tac the tic

2079
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,800
tac may have been a low power warp drive

2080
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:52,639
who was using that to manipulate and

2081
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:54,960
that's why i could go from 80 000 feet

2082
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,440
to 50 feet in the flash of an eye

2083
01:31:01,990 --> 01:30:59,679
without exploding the entire ocean

2084
01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:02,000
around it when it released the energy

2085
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:04,159
needed to go from 80 000 to 50 yeah

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01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,159
exactly exactly let's take our break

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01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,480
right here our guest tonight chris plain

2088
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,920
it's going to be one of those shows it's

2089
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,239
already started off that way

2090
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,480
i always learn something

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01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:16,000
this is fade to black our guest tonight

2092
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:18,159
chris plain on the game changer and

2093
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:20,239
annex networks we'll be right back after

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01:31:29,230 --> 01:31:23,410
this short break stay with it

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01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:39,750
[Music]

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01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:42,950
way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,110
you're listening to fade to black

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[Applause]

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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fade to black

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01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:02,310
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:04,000
host jimmy church tonight our guest

2178
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,119
chris plain

2179
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,760
and uh yes he is the head science writer

2180
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,679
over at the debrief

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01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:11,520
gonna be talking science all night long

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01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:14,080
but before we get there

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01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:18,960
um i was uh chris i'm a huge fan uh

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01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:21,280
i haven't been in in many many years but

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01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:22,159
uh

2186
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comedy sports here in los angeles oh

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01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:28,719
yeah okay now um and one of the things

2188
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:30,960
the audience participation right and

2189
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:33,360
they would say uh

2190
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,560
i'm gonna put you on the spot here in a

2191
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,239
second but they would say okay

2192
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,159
give us a word and somebody would shout

2193
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:40,320
out cantaloupe right and then boom the

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01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:41,600
next thing you know

2195
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:43,920
and uh the best stuff ever i just love

2196
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:46,000
those shows so yeah so that someone

2197
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:47,199
would yeah and then they would do a

2198
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,040
whole scene about cantaloupe right and

2199
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,440
if you had really talented sketch

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01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,679
comedians they would do something about

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01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,080
we we have to have a wedding

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because if my whole family isn't there

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01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,760
so we can't elope and then they would

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01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,960
take your thing and screw with it and

2205
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:02,639
take it all differently it was awesome

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01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:03,679
yeah

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01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,199
and uh now so i'm gonna throw out uh

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01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,800
something to you and i want your

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reaction

2210
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:19,109
perfect yeah yeah

2211
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,709
dehydrated so what you're telling me is

2212
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,040
somebody sat around and said all right

2213
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:31,600
we already have the worst tasting food

2214
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:34,480
on the planet and seaweed but we

2215
01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:36,960
somehow people seem to keep eating it

2216
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,840
and we need to find a way to drive those

2217
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:41,280
last few

2218
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:45,360
die hard spirulina eaters away yes so

2219
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,520
what we will do is we will just take the

2220
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:49,440
water out of it completely let's see

2221
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:55,830
americans will buy anything let's do

2222
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,639
dehydrated seaweed

2223
01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:00,320
okay so anyway

2224
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:01,840
uh there's a reason for that and i'll

2225
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:04,800
tell you later after the show um now uh

2226
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,920
you brought up a jack sarfati's name uh

2227
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,000
uh before the break

2228
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:11,840
and uh

2229
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,199
uh okay so have you had jack on uh we've

2230
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,000
talked about it many times actually

2231
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:20,719
um okay you know i think i'm taking over

2232
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:24,239
the interview and talking on top of you

2233
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:26,000
with him that's all i'll tell you what

2234
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,360
you know you know

2235
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:29,440
oh he based me with that guy

2236
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,239
the thing is uh

2237
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:34,480
the thing is about jack

2238
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:35,440
is

2239
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:36,719
uh

2240
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:38,239
take

2241
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:49,600
and what you are left with

2242
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,199
is

2243
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,600
thinking outside of the box that needs

2244
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:55,679
to be there in the world of physics

2245
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,360
there's too much in the world of physics

2246
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,280
that is inside of the box where they

2247
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:00,880
don't want to take chances or have

2248
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,000
conversations or uh maybe

2249
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:06,320
uh go against the grain of

2250
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:09,199
of an einstein right and and wait a

2251
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,960
minute here you can't do that well you

2252
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:12,480
know what you need to think sometimes

2253
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,320
out of the box and that's what jack

2254
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:16,960
sarfati brings to the table

2255
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,080
he's um he's as crazy and as nutty as

2256
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,000
squirrel poop there's no question about

2257
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,920
that but we need

2258
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:25,520
jack sarfati's

2259
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:28,639
uh to be in the world of physics um now

2260
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,360
and and so

2261
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:33,840
the jacks are bodies of the world and we

2262
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,560
start talking about annie grav

2263
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:39,040
and anti-gravity and that technology

2264
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:40,400
which we're going to get into the apec

2265
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:42,320
conference in just a second

2266
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:43,560
is that

2267
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:45,119
anti-gravity

2268
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:50,000
has to be the leading researched uh

2269
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,040
area

2270
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:53,360
of all of the black projects that's the

2271
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:54,400
holy grail

2272
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:56,719
how much of it have they achieved well

2273
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,360
china just says they've developed a

2274
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,520
an anti-grav room

2275
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,600
for lunar exploration so they can get

2276
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:05,920
their astronauts in there and and they

2277
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:12,470
so

2278
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:15,119
but but this has to be research that is

2279
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,199
going on right now

2280
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:19,840
and the one that crosses the finish line

2281
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,960
first is the winner uh of of of all

2282
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:24,960
right okay so

2283
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:27,520
now that's when we pull jack sarfati in

2284
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,400
and some of his things and and and his

2285
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:32,880
his friends i should say too as well

2286
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:35,760
um and the apec conference

2287
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:39,199
anti-gravity is is the holy grail in in

2288
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,600
in most circles isn't it

2289
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,000
there's no doubt about it let me i will

2290
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:46,000
tell you when it comes to jack sarfati

2291
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:47,199
and people like him but jack in

2292
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:49,840
particular here's my take and i'll make

2293
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,840
it quick before we go into apec here you

2294
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,280
know i'm going to get an email before

2295
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:55,600
the end of the show it is highly

2296
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,119
possible

2297
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,000
that jack knows something that everybody

2298
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:02,000
else doesn't i agree now i'm not saying

2299
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,800
it's

2300
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,639
likely or unlikely but it is highly

2301
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,800
possible yeah and here's the thing with

2302
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,639
jack

2303
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:11,040
i've heard him in these discussions i'm

2304
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:13,119
in an email chain i'm in that same

2305
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:14,000
meeting

2306
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,600
yeah i'm with you i'm in that channel

2307
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,840
see him arguing with other scientists at

2308
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,159
times you can see deepak chopra in there

2309
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:21,920
arguing whatever you know you get these

2310
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:24,080
guys in there arguing

2311
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,600
i've had the opportunity to speak to

2312
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:27,760
jack i've had the opportunity

2313
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,470
talk to him at a conference for about an

2314
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:34,719
hour face to face

2315
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,119
digitally face to face

2316
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,320
and no matter who you bring up that that

2317
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:42,800
you can say well here's this expert

2318
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:45,119
that i trust jack

2319
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:47,679
and they're not sure about your science

2320
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:51,040
they just don't he can tell you why he

2321
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,280
will say well i'm an expert in this this

2322
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,679
and this they specialize in this this

2323
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:57,760
and this and what he tells you if you

2324
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,480
saw that guy's a astrophysicist and i'm

2325
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,040
a dynamic quantum astrophysicist with

2326
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:05,920
the side of chips you go okay

2327
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:08,000
the part he said about this other guy is

2328
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:11,199
true he he does know and scientists are

2329
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:14,400
so siloed into expertise especially at

2330
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:16,480
those very high levels

2331
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,960
that it's all as somebody as i explained

2332
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,719
earlier attempting to

2333
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:22,960
come from a layman's point with the

2334
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:25,600
breadth of interest and communicate to

2335
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:27,920
people that are operating in some cases

2336
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,390
oh you just dropped oh no

2337
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,880
no no no

2338
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,800
okay oh you're back you're back you

2339
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:41,280
dropped for a second

2340
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,400
yeah so

2341
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:44,080
it's possible

2342
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:44,960
jack

2343
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,600
high level

2344
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,000
it is possible that he

2345
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,960
is seeing something and understanding

2346
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,800
something because i can tell you when

2347
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,560
you talk to him

2348
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,800
he believes what he's saying you know in

2349
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:00,560
this business you've been doing way

2350
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,199
longer than i am jimmy you you see the

2351
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,760
guy with the authentic you know oil made

2352
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,000
from the best snakes we used to say when

2353
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,080
i was growing up right this is oil but

2354
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,239
it's made from the best snakes you can

2355
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:14,239
spot these guys selling hokum a mile

2356
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:15,119
away

2357
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:17,199
this guy truly believes it and he's

2358
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,360
smart enough and specialized enough that

2359
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,199
as high up that ladder as i've climbed

2360
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,520
to try and understand these guys up here

2361
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,440
and these women that operate up here and

2362
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,159
there's a lot about

2363
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:30,960
jack is operating in such a high level

2364
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,920
in such a specialized understanding

2365
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:35,760
that it is altogether possible that he

2366
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:38,400
is losing his mind in his 80s to the

2367
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:41,760
fact that he sees the answer clearly he

2368
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:44,000
will tell you here's what it is here's

2369
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,159
the formulas and the government or darpa

2370
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:50,239
or these sort of people just aren't

2371
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:53,199
putting the money into him

2372
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:59,990
dropped again i'm okay

2373
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,920
what is going on yeah something's going

2374
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:03,520
on with my internet it must be something

2375
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,800
going on

2376
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:06,800
but let me say this

2377
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:09,119
um uh and then i want to get back to

2378
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:10,239
annie graff

2379
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:12,000
um last

2380
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:13,280
summer

2381
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:14,639
somewhere in there

2382
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:15,679
uh

2383
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:17,520
part of this group that you and i are a

2384
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,800
part of right and yeah so it happens

2385
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:22,800
daily uh you know you get flooded with

2386
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:25,600
these uh algorithms and math that i

2387
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:27,440
clearly don't understand

2388
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:30,239
and and and these conversations and i

2389
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,239
and so i wrote jack

2390
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:34,400
and i said uh hey jack

2391
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,280
do i have your permission to send this

2392
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:42,320
to a physicist and he goes absolutely go

2393
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:43,520
i said okay

2394
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,239
so i took this stuff

2395
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,040
and i sent it out to three different

2396
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,600
physicists at three different

2397
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:53,280
universities

2398
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,320
of

2399
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:56,400
let's say top five in the country you

2400
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,520
know all their names right sure so um

2401
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:01,280
and uh

2402
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:03,040
like my phone rings

2403
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:06,239
and i see who it is i went oh oh crap

2404
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,520
okay

2405
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,320
and uh i said so uh you got the email

2406
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,239
and he said yeah now i didn't tell him

2407
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:13,679
who it was

2408
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:16,960
right i just the email was do you

2409
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:20,880
understand these equations and math

2410
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:22,320
do you understand what's going on here

2411
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,920
that's all i wanted to know you know

2412
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:25,760
right because i don't understand what

2413
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:28,880
jack is throwing at me either right and

2414
01:45:40,229 --> 01:45:35,750
it looks like jack's our fatty crazy

2415
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,270
wow

2416
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:43,760
yeah now i never said you know it's jack

2417
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:46,880
stuff but that was the reply back

2418
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:49,280
and um

2419
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:51,600
and i always found that interesting

2420
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:52,400
and

2421
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,000
uh i'm just gonna leave it right there

2422
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:58,400
but back to my point

2423
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:01,199
you need guys like jack

2424
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,119
to stir the pot

2425
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:06,080
that's it that's that's it you've got to

2426
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,719
think outside of the box otherwise we

2427
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:10,960
don't move forward

2428
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,360
if every once in a while an ant doesn't

2429
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:15,840
wander away from the colony and find a

2430
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:17,840
new source of food they don't the colony

2431
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:18,880
is due

2432
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,960
they die they die

2433
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:22,159
so what have you learned about

2434
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:24,800
anti-gravity how how close are we

2435
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:25,920
so

2436
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,920
brought up two completely separate

2437
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:31,199
things in this

2438
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:34,159
one is the public face of it and one is

2439
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,679
that secret

2440
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:37,199
black project

2441
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,480
area that we're not a privy to at least

2442
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:42,560
guys like you and i are maybe maybe one

2443
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:43,840
or two of the guys i work with might

2444
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:52,149
i believe it is very possible

2445
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,790
being tested successfully within dark

2446
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:03,440
projects now when i say some versions i

2447
01:47:06,669 --> 01:47:04,480
mean

2448
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:06,679
the science behind

2449
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:09,440
specifically defeating gravity

2450
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,320
specifically as a natural force not

2451
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:14,239
you know like you brought up the moon uh

2452
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:16,560
the the artificial moon that the chinese

2453
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:19,119
government made in the chinese national

2454
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:20,800
space administration so i wrote about

2455
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:23,040
that the other day too and uh yeah

2456
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,560
they're using uh you know something

2457
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,639
that's within the scientific literature

2458
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:28,080
where if you create the right type of a

2459
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:30,639
magnetic field you'll align the

2460
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:32,800
rotation of the molecules and the atoms

2461
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:35,360
in the ca in the uh frog for instance or

2462
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:38,639
whatever and you will float it

2463
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:40,800
i'm talking about a fundamental

2464
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,760
understanding of how gravity works where

2465
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:45,920
gravity comes from where inertia comes

2466
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:48,560
from and being able to feed that so on

2467
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:51,119
the public face that is the question

2468
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,560
there is

2469
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:54,800
there are mainstream scientists and

2470
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:57,360
experimenters from all across the

2471
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,560
spectrum

2472
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,040
that are looking into it at a level that

2473
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:03,360
has never been looked into you know

2474
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:05,760
sunny white told me about the warp drive

2475
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,239
that there are grad students writing

2476
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:10,960
graduate theses about various ideas and

2477
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,520
warp drugs that's how from one scientist

2478
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,159
writing about it less than 30 years ago

2479
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:18,480
to across hundreds of universities grad

2480
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:20,800
students the same thing is starting to

2481
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,840
trickle up with anti-gravity

2482
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,520
my feeling is

2483
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,119
anti-gravity

2484
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:29,440
may be much more attainable especially

2485
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,679
when i talk to these these practical

2486
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,320
hands-on experimenters than something

2487
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,639
like warp drive in the short term for us

2488
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:38,400
because it really just is that it's a

2489
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,760
fundamental force and finding that key

2490
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,560
to unlock that and to counter that force

2491
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:46,560
as you and i said jack thinks he's got

2492
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:47,600
that key

2493
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:49,920
but i i attended this conference and i

2494
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:51,280
wrote about it in the middle of the year

2495
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,360
called the apec the alternative

2496
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:55,679
propulsion engineering conference

2497
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,960
and it grew out of one of those email

2498
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,719
lists you talk about like the one with

2499
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,040
jack sarfati and these these scientists

2500
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:05,119
that talk behind the scenes with each

2501
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:05,920
other

2502
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:08,400
about these more esoteric scientific

2503
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:10,719
concepts that maybe they can't talk

2504
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:13,599
about everywhere but with each other in

2505
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,239
this kind of protected environment

2506
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,560
and over time that evolved and when i

2507
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,400
talked to the founder of the conference

2508
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,400
i was writing about him because he was a

2509
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:24,960
guy trying to build a ufo in his garage

2510
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,719
and i said nothing more interesting for

2511
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:28,960
my audience than a guy who's in his

2512
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:32,639
garage who says i'm building a ufo right

2513
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,639
i said hey how am i not going to cover

2514
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,960
that and he's got full-time funding and

2515
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:38,880
someone who's paid for a lab for him to

2516
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:41,760
do it and it's not a family member so i

2517
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,280
said all right

2518
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:45,440
i'm in i start talking to this guy and

2519
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,920
he tells me on the phone he says chris

2520
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,440
he tells me about how it grew out of

2521
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:51,360
this email list

2522
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:52,960
and he said

2523
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:55,679
you know if you go through that list

2524
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,080
half of the guys on that email

2525
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,719
are from darpa they're from the skunk

2526
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,800
works at lockheed martin they're from

2527
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:05,119
nasa they're from the air force research

2528
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:07,199
you talk about the places with the real

2529
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,080
money

2530
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:10,400
who are keeping their eyes

2531
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:13,520
on theory and practice on what these

2532
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:16,080
people the experiments they're doing

2533
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:18,800
the ideas they're sharing and they're in

2534
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,480
there doing the same thing they're

2535
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,480
kicking around ideas they're coming to

2536
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:25,119
these conferences they had glenn tony

2537
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,400
robertson

2538
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,199
who ran the only anti-gravity

2539
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,480
experiments ever done at nasa and

2540
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,159
there's arguments as to whether or not

2541
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:36,400
they had results there was some stuff

2542
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:38,080
that ran after he left that may or may

2543
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:40,000
not have produced some results but they

2544
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,760
built the benchmark for what a

2545
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:44,080
mainstream anti-gravity experiment like

2546
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:45,199
looked like

2547
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,880
so i'm talking this guy who wants to

2548
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:49,440
build the spacecraft and he says

2549
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:51,119
we're going to do that test at our

2550
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:53,840
conference and he tells me about these

2551
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:55,040
attendees

2552
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,960
i said mark send me the list of the

2553
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:59,520
attendees and i start checking them out

2554
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,599
i start going through that now i didn't

2555
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:03,040
remember if you were on there not jimmy

2556
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:05,280
on that first list i had but i'm going

2557
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,880
through and i'm checking these people

2558
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:08,480
and i'm googling them and going to their

2559
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:11,360
linkedin and in many cases emailing

2560
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:13,360
confirming who they are

2561
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,719
and literally exactly what he said

2562
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:17,679
half

2563
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:20,719
of a list of over a hundred names were

2564
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:23,760
these mainstream people from these

2565
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,080
highly funded military government

2566
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:28,400
there's no cia in there but he would

2567
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,760
like to point out to me goes hey when

2568
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,360
you see some of these people from these

2569
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,360
private companies or

2570
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:35,520
other universities

2571
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:37,920
they could very well be funded by these

2572
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,560
sort of intelligence agencies and stuff

2573
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,560
and they're they're

2574
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,000
do you know looking into what we're

2575
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,480
doing but the ones with the mainstream

2576
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:48,480
resumes was literally

2577
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:50,080
actually just a hair over half of the

2578
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:51,040
names

2579
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:52,960
the other half a lot of mainstream

2580
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,239
business people people who worked at

2581
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:56,239
places like spacex and things like like

2582
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,599
really mainstream

2583
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:59,280
and then there was this group of maybe

2584
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,760
20 or 30 what i would call garage

2585
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:03,840
tinkerers right guys

2586
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:06,320
guys who had just enough means just

2587
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,599
enough interest and who preferred

2588
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,920
as mark would tell me mark sokol the guy

2589
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:14,080
who founded it founder of falcon space

2590
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,480
who founded this apec conference told me

2591
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,880
we i don't care about theory i don't i

2592
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:22,719
don't understand i'm not a physicist

2593
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:26,080
it's not my interest i will take the

2594
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:27,199
the

2595
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:33,360
here's an anti-gravity experiment

2596
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:35,360
i will go buy the super conducting

2597
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,239
material i will buy the magnets i will

2598
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,560
build that thing in my shop and i'll

2599
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:42,320
test it and it'll either produce

2600
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:44,960
anti-gravity or it doesn't so although

2601
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,560
there's a lot of theoretical people that

2602
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:48,159
show up at the conference and talk about

2603
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,119
it

2604
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:51,360
the the backbone the the the group

2605
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:54,000
that's really hands-on every day

2606
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:56,800
is these guys like him that that

2607
01:53:02,550 --> 01:52:59,599
physically try to make these experiments

2608
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,560
real that physically try to build these

2609
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,320
different things so when a guy like

2610
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:06,239
sonny white says here's how you build a

2611
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:08,480
little tiny warp craft well in their

2612
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,639
world when someone says here's a new

2613
01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:13,280
idea or an old one like the alzephon

2614
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,199
experiments right like these old

2615
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:17,199
anti-gravity experiments that may or may

2616
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,000
not have worked in the 80s or 70s or

2617
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:22,080
what you know these more

2618
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,119
enigmatic mysterious anti-gravity but

2619
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:27,280
but all rooted in real science at real

2620
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:28,639
universities

2621
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,960
these guys are doing it they're trying

2622
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:33,199
to build it and so imagine that world

2623
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:34,480
imagine

2624
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,320
really cutting edge people at top

2625
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,320
universities people from darp all these

2626
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,800
places and then these hands-on guys just

2627
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:42,239
getting together once a month on

2628
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,880
saturday to talk about experiments talk

2629
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:46,960
about different ideas and this talk

2630
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:47,840
about

2631
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,360
the m drive i saw robert uh shearer

2632
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:53,119
there that was one of you know that

2633
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,679
magical drive that seems to defy physics

2634
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:57,280
and create thrust

2635
01:54:01,910 --> 01:53:59,360
uh and so yeah

2636
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:01,920
there's a a community out there of

2637
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:03,040
people

2638
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:06,560
looking for that anti-gravity answer and

2639
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,520
my feeling is in the natural world

2640
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:12,239
if there's a force there is a cause and

2641
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:15,520
a and a way to counter that so gravity

2642
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,920
is the thing we know it's a thing

2643
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,599
they can argue forever about how it

2644
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:21,360
works or what's gonna what's gonna make

2645
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,920
gravity or anti-gravity

2646
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,760
i think there's this public face where

2647
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:28,159
people are trying it

2648
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,800
if i were in the black projects and i

2649
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:32,719
were the one writing the checks i were

2650
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:34,800
the one overlooking the special excess

2651
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:37,199
programs or the unacknowledged special

2652
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:39,040
access programs or whatever they want to

2653
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,320
call it

2654
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:42,480
this is an area that has

2655
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:45,199
a fair amount of scientific literature

2656
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,840
and testable theories and is something

2657
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:49,199
that i believe

2658
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:54,070
i i have some stories i'm working on in

2659
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,840
this area let's leave it at that but i

2660
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,920
believe it's possible that that there is

2661
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,440
stuff

2662
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:01,280
i might even report on something that

2663
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,719
works at some point we'll see i don't

2664
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,400
want to go too far out ahead yeah that

2665
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:06,639
was my next question i have researchers

2666
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,800
promising me things from time to time

2667
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,000
right

2668
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,320
and this particular one

2669
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:14,719
is somebody i i've written another story

2670
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,159
about that'll narrow it down to about

2671
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,639
150 people but

2672
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:20,960
i had somebody tell me something in a

2673
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:23,520
phone call and in a couple of follow-up

2674
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,960
emails that that makes me believe that

2675
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:28,639
there's a lot of people that feel like

2676
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:30,560
that's about to change that that this

2677
01:55:35,189 --> 01:55:33,520
idea that there may be a formal

2678
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:35,199
government announcement some black

2679
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:37,760
project or it may just be that

2680
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:39,520
researchers are different universities

2681
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,520
working in really high energy and things

2682
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,440
like fusion and stuff

2683
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:45,520
are coming across this anti-gravity

2684
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,560
effect

2685
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:48,239
and our understanding because that

2686
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:50,400
happens a lot in science you know if you

2687
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:52,000
take a pill for baldness that was a

2688
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:54,080
blood pressure pill right like that was

2689
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,599
a blood pressure pill that they found

2690
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,320
grew hair that happens a lot sonny white

2691
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:00,639
was working on custom casimir effects

2692
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:03,199
with these microscopic things and they

2693
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:04,960
found the warp bubble in there and went

2694
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:07,520
oh this is in our in our simulations and

2695
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,080
our models this thing's creating a warpo

2696
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:12,159
and i i think that's happening in

2697
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,080
physics and i think there's so much high

2698
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,400
energy research there's so much of this

2699
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:18,639
sort of stuff going on

2700
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,599
both governmentally but also public that

2701
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:23,599
i i think we're

2702
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:26,000
taking away any conspiracy any old

2703
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:27,840
school oh they had anti-gravity in the

2704
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:30,000
40s or any of these sort of things

2705
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,920
i think science has progressed to the

2706
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:34,000
point where that is coming

2707
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:36,880
do you do you think that

2708
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:38,080
the

2709
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:43,920
um if it was a real physical craft

2710
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:46,480
e.t or otherwise right

2711
01:56:50,750 --> 01:56:47,599
that

2712
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:50,760
um

2713
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:54,239
anti-gravity uh technology that

2714
01:56:58,390 --> 01:56:55,599
possibly

2715
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:58,400
could have been created here on earth

2716
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:01,679
there are really good

2717
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:03,520
smart people looking into that

2718
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,920
physicists like kevin knuth and uh yes

2719
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:09,520
ravi coparapo i'm trying to think of

2720
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:10,960
there's a bunch of these guys at the

2721
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,840
scientific coalition for uab studies and

2722
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:15,760
they've done a lot of that and what's

2723
01:57:21,629 --> 01:57:18,480
interesting is

2724
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:21,639
those are the two answers warp drive and

2725
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:23,199
anti-gravity

2726
01:57:28,149 --> 01:57:26,000
are the two answers that best explain

2727
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:28,159
what you're seeing with the tic tac in

2728
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:29,840
many ways

2729
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,400
as i said the energy requirements for it

2730
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:35,040
to move like it did but the lack of

2731
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:38,639
its shedding energy and any spectrum

2732
01:57:42,149 --> 01:57:40,560
physical or lights

2733
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:42,159
i mean if it would have made a huge

2734
01:57:47,109 --> 01:57:44,320
flash of light it could have shed its

2735
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:47,119
energy going from 80 000 feet to 50 feet

2736
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:49,920
that way or a ton of heat or an

2737
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:51,760
explosive force somehow it's got to shed

2738
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,119
all that energy

2739
01:57:57,750 --> 01:57:55,760
so even an anti-gravity model

2740
01:58:00,550 --> 01:57:57,760
it's it's probably less likely at that

2741
01:58:02,229 --> 01:58:00,560
explanation than a warp drive

2742
01:58:03,910 --> 01:58:02,239
but the way the thing flew around the

2743
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:03,920
way the thing was that i mean it sure

2744
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:06,480
sounds like a magnetohydrodynamic

2745
01:58:11,270 --> 01:58:09,040
uh propulsion system that that operates

2746
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:11,280
above water as opposed to in water and

2747
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:12,960
may operate in and out of water because

2748
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:15,119
magneto hydrodynamic propulsion is

2749
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,560
something that's been around for 40

2750
01:58:20,709 --> 01:58:19,199
years more than 40 years yes yes

2751
01:58:22,870 --> 01:58:20,719
and the idea of something that's a very

2752
01:58:25,589 --> 01:58:22,880
light very custom very modern

2753
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:25,599
metamaterial something that we design

2754
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:27,280
that has the right properties and has

2755
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:28,960
the right energy i mean for all we know

2756
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:31,280
the the tic-tac weighs four ounces right

2757
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:34,000
and it's just this extreme meta material

2758
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:36,560
and that ex that

2759
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:38,400
accounts for the mathematics of the

2760
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:40,639
speed and dynamics but the lack of

2761
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,719
energy coming out of it when it when it

2762
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:45,280
stops and zoops around yeah the the

2763
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:46,639
whole

2764
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:49,840
thing for me which gets confusing

2765
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:52,320
is that apparently

2766
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:56,000
the tic tac if if it was real

2767
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:57,119
um

2768
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:00,400
was able to ignore our atmosphere

2769
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,760
and our known physics and the physical

2770
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,239
things that we have here

2771
01:59:11,510 --> 01:59:08,719
totally ignored and didn't give a crap

2772
01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:11,520
so what what would that's what matches

2773
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:13,520
the warp drive that's what matches the

2774
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,000
low power warp drive theory better jimmy

2775
01:59:20,229 --> 01:59:17,920
as that and and and here's the other

2776
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:20,239
part

2777
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:24,400
if i want to believe that anti-gravity

2778
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:27,679
uh ideas are real

2779
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:30,560
i i just look at two things i look at

2780
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,679
magnets

2781
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:33,679
which are definitely

2782
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:36,480
gravity defying things

2783
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:40,080
number one number two a gyroscope

2784
01:59:43,030 --> 01:59:40,800
and

2785
01:59:45,589 --> 01:59:43,040
you know there's not infinite amounts of

2786
01:59:46,550 --> 01:59:45,599
negative energy being put into spinning

2787
01:59:49,109 --> 01:59:46,560
atop

2788
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:49,119
or getting a gyroscope going where it

2789
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:52,080
can apparently just sit there and float

2790
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:55,280
as long as it's got energy going into it

2791
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:56,880
it's stable

2792
02:00:01,669 --> 01:59:59,920
that's not some crazy technology that's

2793
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:01,679
something that's been around for a very

2794
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:04,800
very long time in the applications of

2795
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:08,000
magnetics and something that is spinning

2796
02:00:13,350 --> 02:00:10,560
we have the answers right there and i i

2797
02:00:15,510 --> 02:00:13,360
think a very advanced mind would be able

2798
02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:15,520
to take these to the next level

2799
02:00:19,910 --> 02:00:17,520
and and i as i like to point out to

2800
02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:19,920
people as a guy who writes about science

2801
02:00:27,870 --> 02:00:21,760
you know 10 to 15 stories a week

2802
02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:31,149
150 years ago we weren't really using

2803
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:33,840
electricity that well right like we were

2804
02:00:39,109 --> 02:00:36,080
right at the dot we had no internal

2805
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:39,119
combustion engines whatever

2806
02:00:42,310 --> 02:00:40,560
right now

2807
02:00:44,390 --> 02:00:42,320
uh we're unfolding the james webb

2808
02:00:46,229 --> 02:00:44,400
telescope's undone unfolding we're

2809
02:00:48,629 --> 02:00:46,239
getting news back i wrote a story

2810
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:48,639
yesterday about signs of life on mars

2811
02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:50,960
found by the curiosity rover i went oh

2812
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:52,639
yeah that's right that rover's up there

2813
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:54,719
too right like it's just in every oh we

2814
02:00:58,390 --> 02:00:56,320
got a couple of i'm writing the story

2815
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:58,400
about a a chinese rover that's on the

2816
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:00,080
dark side of the moon i went that's

2817
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:02,560
right two years ago that the changi four

2818
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:05,360
landed the the rover like it is so

2819
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:06,880
commonplace

2820
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:10,560
in such a short time our technology is

2821
02:01:14,950 --> 02:01:12,560
leaps and bounds and whether you

2822
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:14,960
subscribe to an alien technology

2823
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:17,280
interference philip corso day at roswell

2824
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:19,920
sort of theory or just humans and growth

2825
02:01:25,030 --> 02:01:22,560
of population and use of electricity and

2826
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:25,040
energy transforming the the way we do

2827
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:28,320
things whatever theory you get there

2828
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:31,679
we're going real fast we're going real

2829
02:01:36,870 --> 02:01:34,320
fast the technology is zooming we are

2830
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:36,880
changing constantly so fast remember

2831
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:40,239
when we were kids and the uh get smarts

2832
02:01:46,390 --> 02:01:42,800
on his shoe phone and the idea was like

2833
02:01:48,709 --> 02:01:46,400
we may see that one day i had a shuffle

2834
02:01:50,950 --> 02:01:48,719
when i was 25 and when i was 12 it

2835
02:01:53,189 --> 02:01:50,960
seemed like the most insane thing ever

2836
02:01:55,109 --> 02:01:53,199
yeah and 15 years later we got cell

2837
02:01:58,310 --> 02:01:55,119
phones right there

2838
02:02:01,109 --> 02:01:58,320
everywhere the dick tracy watch right

2839
02:02:04,550 --> 02:02:01,119
right right i got a drawer of full of

2840
02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:04,560
those now right it's like zach that is

2841
02:02:07,189 --> 02:02:05,920
where we are at today let's take our

2842
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:07,199
break right here chris stay right there

2843
02:02:10,709 --> 02:02:09,280
this is fade to black i'm meryl streep

2844
02:02:11,669 --> 02:02:10,719
church great conversation when we come

2845
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:11,679
back

2846
02:02:16,149 --> 02:02:13,280
we're going to continue let's go to the

2847
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:16,159
search for e.t

2848
02:02:19,990 --> 02:02:18,480
james webb telescope tess everything

2849
02:02:21,010 --> 02:02:20,000
that is going on right now we'll be

2850
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right back

2851
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:24,120
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make contact

2903
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[Music]

2904
02:04:47,669 --> 02:04:44,719
when you're in the house for longer

2905
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:47,679
periods of time you can see them flying

2906
02:04:53,750 --> 02:04:50,159
or running across the floor

2907
02:04:55,189 --> 02:04:53,760
ooh yuck they're unhealthy gross and

2908
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disgusting

2909
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bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

2910
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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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found something that is tougher than

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bugs orange guard on contact it kills

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disarray history shows us what gold does

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when people aren't sure aren't sure

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02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:47,920
about the government the stock market

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their jobs or their retirement savings

2929
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:53,520
our national debt is skyrocketing gold

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and other precious metals are a defense

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02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:54,400
serious

2948
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i couldn't stay sane without pawn needs

2949
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to rush why fade to black

2950
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:08,709
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2951
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:12,530
on the game changer radio network

2952
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:24,320
[Music]

2953
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:25,840
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

2954
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:28,239
jimmy church tonight chris plain is with

2955
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:31,040
us tomorrow night fader night open lines

2956
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:32,400
all night long

2957
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:33,679
dedicated

2958
02:07:39,830 --> 02:07:37,040
to clifford mahouti who left this realm

2959
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,840
yesterday at the age of 77 tomorrow

2960
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:41,520
night i've got a lot of pictures of uh

2961
02:07:45,430 --> 02:07:43,360
clifford and uh we'll be sharing those

2962
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:45,440
and of course you'll be doing the same

2963
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:46,800
thing so that's tomorrow night tonight

2964
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:48,079
it's chris plain

2965
02:07:52,470 --> 02:07:50,320
and uh just two words

2966
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:52,480
dehydrated seaweed

2967
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:55,360
i'm making t-shirts i i i'm gonna make

2968
02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:58,960
t-shirts uh dehydrated uh seaweed sounds

2969
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:01,520
so good yeah it's just tasty right just

2970
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:04,320
i mean seaweed it should replace like

2971
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:06,800
french fries you know

2972
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:09,440
you know i'll take the big mac combo

2973
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,560
number one uh with a dehydrated seaweed

2974
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:15,040
please uh with sea salt

2975
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:18,079
um uh so anyway

2976
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:20,800
james webb and um

2977
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,310
see i have a cough button but you can

2978
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:28,560
hear me cough

2979
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,599
the audience can't no i can't yeah oh

2980
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,679
you can't so you can't when you pop down

2981
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:35,599
your cough button i cannot hear you oh

2982
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:38,239
you you couldn't hear that nope nope oh

2983
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:41,280
wow but i saw it it was disturbing yes

2984
02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:42,320
it was

2985
02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:45,920
now uh james webb out of everything that

2986
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:48,400
we have done

2987
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:50,400
and i'm talking about technical

2988
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:52,079
advancements

2989
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:53,280
uh

2990
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:55,119
i i mean just tremendous

2991
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:58,079
uh a million things can be referenced uh

2992
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:00,320
that are just remarkable

2993
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:03,440
but in my estimation uh with the james

2994
02:09:07,910 --> 02:09:06,400
webb telescope in combination with other

2995
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:07,920
things it's not the only telescope we

2996
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:10,159
have out there right now uh but the test

2997
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:12,880
system and so forth um

2998
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:14,239
maybe

2999
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:16,840
the most significant

3000
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:19,520
advancement uh the human race has has

3001
02:09:23,910 --> 02:09:21,840
done to this point in my in my opinion

3002
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:23,920
the james webb telescope

3003
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:25,280
is incredible

3004
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:28,719
um and so far so good right so far so

3005
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:29,730
good

3006
02:09:34,709 --> 02:09:30,840
[Music]

3007
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:34,719
um what's your i what's your take

3008
02:09:39,030 --> 02:09:36,880
what's your take on the james webb

3009
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:39,040
telescope here's what's here's what's

3010
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:41,520
amazing about this thing

3011
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:44,239
imagine scientists at the dawn of

3012
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:46,480
microbiology

3013
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:49,679
inventing the first microscope right

3014
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:51,360
right think of that

3015
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:53,040
a tool

3016
02:09:58,870 --> 02:09:55,199
that never existed

3017
02:10:02,709 --> 02:09:58,880
that is in every lab that is the most

3018
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:02,719
basic most fundamental tool necessary

3019
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:05,280
to do that sort of research

3020
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:06,639
well when it comes to things like

3021
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,159
astronomy

3022
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:10,480
we have tons of great tools on the

3023
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:12,639
ground we have amazing

3024
02:10:16,870 --> 02:10:14,560
twitter friends with professor abel

3025
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:16,880
mendez who runs the arecibo facility

3026
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:18,800
down there in puerto rico where the

3027
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:20,719
movie contact and you know they they're

3028
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:23,199
looking looking for abn signals our

3029
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:25,440
astronomy the equipment

3030
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:28,400
the satellites the things we put up but

3031
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:32,719
when it comes to looking into the cosmos

3032
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:34,639
nothing beats being outside our

3033
02:10:39,830 --> 02:10:37,199
atmosphere nothing

3034
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:39,840
being where this telescope is going is a

3035
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:41,760
point called lagrange ii and to

3036
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:43,760
basically just

3037
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:45,920
imagine the earth and the sun in a

3038
02:10:50,629 --> 02:10:48,000
direct line with each other and when you

3039
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:50,639
continue from the sun to the earth you

3040
02:10:55,830 --> 02:10:53,520
continue for about another million miles

3041
02:10:57,990 --> 02:10:55,840
there's where james webb is gonna sit

3042
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:58,000
and it's gonna sit perfectly in the

3043
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:59,840
shadow of earth

3044
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:01,119
so

3045
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:02,480
here it is

3046
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:04,960
94 million miles from the sun a mere

3047
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:06,880
million miles from earth

3048
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,360
and it's perfectly protected from the

3049
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:12,000
solar radiation and the solar energy and

3050
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:14,239
the solar wind coming off of the sun

3051
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:16,560
so now it can do something where it can

3052
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:19,840
look deep into the cosmos by looking at

3053
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:21,840
infrared light without getting too deep

3054
02:11:26,629 --> 02:11:24,719
into the woods of all of this if the

3055
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:26,639
hubble telescope which was our most

3056
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:29,040
amazing most groundbreaking most

3057
02:11:33,910 --> 02:11:31,440
innovative looking outward space

3058
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:33,920
telescope the first really good one to

3059
02:11:36,790 --> 02:11:35,679
take advantage all the benefits i'm

3060
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:36,800
talking about

3061
02:11:40,629 --> 02:11:39,040
being in space outside the atmosphere

3062
02:11:43,350 --> 02:11:40,639
that was a visual telescope so it took

3063
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:43,360
cool pictures and let us see really cool

3064
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:45,840
things and learn all kinds of things

3065
02:11:49,830 --> 02:11:47,920
this telescope james webb is going to

3066
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:49,840
look at infrared light

3067
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:52,719
and that is everything in the cosmos

3068
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:55,280
coming back to us from the past

3069
02:12:01,030 --> 02:11:58,239
so when you look farther and farther

3070
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:01,040
you're seeing a light that originated

3071
02:12:05,390 --> 02:12:03,920
farther and farther back in time

3072
02:12:08,870 --> 02:12:05,400
so in a 4

3073
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:08,880
13.8 billion euros cosmos

3074
02:12:13,390 --> 02:12:10,800
this telescope will let us look at

3075
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:13,400
things that happened

3076
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:15,119
13.7

3077
02:12:19,350 --> 02:12:18,560
or so billion years ago

3078
02:12:22,069 --> 02:12:19,360
and

3079
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:22,079
really look at the first galaxies their

3080
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:24,639
first formations the first stars

3081
02:12:30,790 --> 02:12:28,560
so from a like a base level just tool

3082
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:30,800
just like that microscope it's just a

3083
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:32,800
tool that's never existed and it is the

3084
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,960
most groundbreaking tool

3085
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:36,560
for those of us that are really

3086
02:12:41,510 --> 02:12:39,599
interested in the search for life

3087
02:12:43,270 --> 02:12:41,520
outside of our little solar system

3088
02:12:46,470 --> 02:12:43,280
outside of our planet

3089
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:46,480
it is a tool like we have never had now

3090
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:49,040
keep in mind i'm not talking about ufos

3091
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:50,639
i'm not talking about

3092
02:12:53,270 --> 02:12:52,000
you know things that are atmospheric

3093
02:12:55,189 --> 02:12:53,280
things like that's a completely

3094
02:12:57,910 --> 02:12:55,199
different discussion i'm talking about

3095
02:13:00,550 --> 02:12:57,920
looking at planets planets outside of

3096
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,560
our own solar system

3097
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:02,639
that are at the right distance from

3098
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:04,079
their star

3099
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,760
that have just the right temperature

3100
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:07,440
they call it the goldilocks zone or the

3101
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,079
habitable zone it's got it's made of the

3102
02:13:14,709 --> 02:13:12,639
right stuff it's it's a rocky like earth

3103
02:13:17,109 --> 02:13:14,719
or mars or venus it's not a big ball of

3104
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:17,119
gas like saturn or jupiter it's not a

3105
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:19,440
big ball of ice like neptune right but

3106
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:22,159
it's a a chunk of rock with probably at

3107
02:13:25,109 --> 02:13:23,760
the right place got water on it just

3108
02:13:27,430 --> 02:13:25,119
like earth

3109
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:27,440
so we can't see those right we know

3110
02:13:31,669 --> 02:13:29,599
they're there and you mentioned tess

3111
02:13:33,030 --> 02:13:31,679
before we went to the commercial we've

3112
02:13:35,589 --> 02:13:33,040
used this thing called the transiting

3113
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:35,599
exoplanet survey

3114
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:36,719
satellite

3115
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:40,639
to find these planets the way we find

3116
02:13:44,310 --> 02:13:42,639
them is called the transit method you're

3117
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:44,320
looking at a star and all of a sudden it

3118
02:13:47,510 --> 02:13:45,760
dims a little bit

3119
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:47,520
something passed between you and that

3120
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:50,159
star right a transit so

3121
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:52,079
it's this long complex way that we have

3122
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:54,639
found planets but we found over 5000 you

3123
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:55,599
know

3124
02:13:59,910 --> 02:13:58,320
i think they're 4 600 that are official

3125
02:14:01,990 --> 02:13:59,920
but there's a number another couple

3126
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:02,000
thousand that are being sussed out and

3127
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:04,159
when they suss those out 80 90 percent

3128
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:05,840
of them pan out so

3129
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,320
for this tiny amount of time that tess

3130
02:14:13,030 --> 02:14:10,639
operated for the tiny amount of time the

3131
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:13,040
kepler planet hunter missions operated

3132
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:14,639
and from the little bit of data that

3133
02:14:18,310 --> 02:14:16,560
hubble could pull in this area we

3134
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:18,320
figured out planets are everywhere

3135
02:14:22,390 --> 02:14:19,920
everywhere we look there's planets every

3136
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:22,400
star or most of the stars we look from

3137
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:24,480
types like ours to brown dwarfs so you

3138
02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:27,119
name it their planets and we see rocky

3139
02:14:32,069 --> 02:14:29,760
ones everywhere

3140
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:32,079
this telescope james webb will be able

3141
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:34,239
to point

3142
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:36,560
dead on one of those planets and

3143
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:38,400
although it can't take a picture of it

3144
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:40,880
yet what it can do

3145
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,360
is when it passes in front of the star

3146
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:45,840
when it makes one of those transits

3147
02:14:50,229 --> 02:14:48,159
the sunlight going the the light from

3148
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:50,239
that star going through the atmosphere

3149
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:51,520
of the planet

3150
02:14:54,629 --> 02:14:52,400
right

3151
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:54,639
it will reveal

3152
02:15:00,149 --> 02:14:57,199
what the chemistry of that atmosphere is

3153
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:00,159
through light spectra so that telescope

3154
02:15:04,550 --> 02:15:02,400
sees these different and it goes ah i

3155
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:04,560
see carbon dioxide i see hydrogen i see

3156
02:15:09,270 --> 02:15:07,040
oxygen i see methane i see whatever they

3157
02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:09,280
see in that atmosphere

3158
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,280
and at least on earth

3159
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:13,360
and the planets that do have atmospheres

3160
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:16,000
like saturn or whatever uh uh i mean

3161
02:15:19,589 --> 02:15:17,679
like saturn's moon titan or some of the

3162
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:19,599
other mars has a very thin atmosphere

3163
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:23,199
venus has a heavy gaseous atmosphere

3164
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:25,119
certain chemicals in certain

3165
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:28,000
combinations in certain amounts

3166
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:30,400
seem to signal that there's life on that

3167
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:31,920
planet now

3168
02:15:35,910 --> 02:15:33,360
will will

3169
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:35,920
james webb look for spaceships no but

3170
02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:37,599
what it will say

3171
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:40,320
is i've started studying these rocky

3172
02:15:45,030 --> 02:15:43,440
planets in the habitable zone up close

3173
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:45,040
and either i'm seeing chemical

3174
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:47,280
signatures in the atmosphere that tell

3175
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:48,960
me something's cooking down there

3176
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:51,280
something's alive and it's breathing and

3177
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:53,040
it's creating these gases and these

3178
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:55,840
various chemicals or it's not it's

3179
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,280
things that we see with natural

3180
02:16:02,709 --> 02:15:59,440
processes that we know

3181
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:02,719
to even gather that set of data we're

3182
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:04,639
going to have to look at hundreds if not

3183
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:06,560
thousands of these planets

3184
02:16:10,950 --> 02:16:09,040
we might we might find really telling

3185
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:10,960
signs really quick right like there's

3186
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:12,320
some really good candidates like

3187
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:15,360
trappist-1 that has maybe four planets

3188
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:18,159
in the habitable zone imagine four

3189
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:21,199
earths that were all more or less close

3190
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:23,440
enough to the the sun

3191
02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:25,520
that there are people or things living

3192
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:28,239
on each one of those and maybe the

3193
02:16:31,990 --> 02:16:30,320
closest one it's really hot the farthest

3194
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:32,000
one it's really cold but it's still

3195
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:34,800
enough to have liquid water and to have

3196
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:35,760
life

3197
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:37,439
so we're going to look at each one of

3198
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:39,280
those and we're going to look at their

3199
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:41,120
atmospheres when we go when they go in

3200
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:42,960
front of the star

3201
02:16:48,629 --> 02:16:45,840
and the same way telescopes picked up

3202
02:16:51,190 --> 02:16:48,639
phosphine gas in the atmosphere of mars

3203
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:51,200
and said hmm that's at a place that we

3204
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:53,040
always assume would be habitable for

3205
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:55,679
exactly the type of life that works

3206
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:57,519
anaerobically and puts off this exact

3207
02:17:01,750 --> 02:16:59,679
sort of type of phosphorus known as

3208
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:01,760
phosphine and it's in concentrations

3209
02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:03,439
that seem like it would be made for life

3210
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:05,359
so people can argue whether or not

3211
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:07,200
that's life and until we fly something

3212
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:09,439
through there and scoop it up and check

3213
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:12,240
it out we may not know but what we do

3214
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:15,120
know is it matches what we understand

3215
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:16,800
about life and it gives us a place to

3216
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:20,160
look so when one of these warp drives or

3217
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:22,719
directed energy or plasma magnets or

3218
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:25,120
these really exotic propulsions i write

3219
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:27,679
about and study about at my job

3220
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:30,559
when one of those is ready for us to

3221
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:33,439
send somewhere and send a probe

3222
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:35,760
into the atmosphere we're gonna have

3223
02:17:41,190 --> 02:17:38,639
targets and those targets will be found

3224
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:41,200
by james webb james webb telescope will

3225
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:43,920
be the one to give us a list of planets

3226
02:17:49,349 --> 02:17:46,960
that says this thing's habitable zone

3227
02:17:51,030 --> 02:17:49,359
this thing's the right size and shape

3228
02:17:53,349 --> 02:17:51,040
and it's got the right chemistry in the

3229
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:53,359
atmosphere that we think life is there

3230
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:55,040
how do you keep your brain from

3231
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:56,559
exploding

3232
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,040
with just the thought

3233
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:01,599
that 25 years ago we were still the only

3234
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:04,080
planet in the known universe right right

3235
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:07,200
to today where we have around 10 000

3236
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:09,359
exoplanets and exoplanet candidates that

3237
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,599
are waiting to be catalogued

3238
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:13,280
to

3239
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:14,880
being able

3240
02:18:19,110 --> 02:18:15,679
to

3241
02:18:22,070 --> 02:18:19,120
study the atmosphere

3242
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:22,080
of distant worlds

3243
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:25,200
that is like it's it's

3244
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:27,760
it's it's it's almost too much

3245
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:29,679
jimmy with with the

3246
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:31,040
with

3247
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:33,599
my schedule is a full one like a lot of

3248
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:36,399
us adults have very full schedules and

3249
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:38,479
when i was approached about working at

3250
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:40,000
the debrief and i had that first

3251
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:42,880
conversation with mj banayas i had to

3252
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:44,800
make a decision like

3253
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:47,679
this is gonna consume a lot of time and

3254
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:50,240
a lot of energy i'm gonna have to delay

3255
02:18:54,870 --> 02:18:52,639
the publication of the the sci-fi book a

3256
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:54,880
year and all these other personal life

3257
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:57,519
choices went into making that decision

3258
02:19:02,790 --> 02:19:00,160
but what clinched it for me

3259
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:02,800
was that we are living in a time like no

3260
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,599
other time scientifically ufos i gave my

3261
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:07,599
whole rap on ufos earlier and i am

3262
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:08,960
convinced we're living in a just a

3263
02:19:12,870 --> 02:19:11,120
completely different time for that but

3264
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:12,880
in the science community in the

3265
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:15,200
technology community the number of

3266
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:17,760
universities the vast array of projects

3267
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:19,200
people are working on

3268
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:22,800
is so amazing and so tantalizing that

3269
02:19:27,349 --> 02:19:25,040
when i discussed with them hey is this a

3270
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:27,359
ufo blog do you want me to write about

3271
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,519
you know uh the

3272
02:19:32,629 --> 02:19:31,280
mouse from air force base and do you

3273
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:32,639
want me to write about kernel courses

3274
02:19:35,990 --> 02:19:34,479
they said no no no

3275
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:36,000
we want you to cover this stuff you're

3276
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:37,280
interested we want you to write about

3277
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:40,000
these scientific topics and try and be i

3278
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:41,840
always tell people i say i'm like neil

3279
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:43,679
degrasse tyson if he was dumber and

3280
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:46,160
funnier right so

3281
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:48,080
well you're definitely better looking

3282
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:49,840
yeah right you got that going for you

3283
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:51,680
which which i might have put in an

3284
02:19:56,150 --> 02:19:54,479
article where i picked on him once but

3285
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:56,160
you know i only got two or three tweets

3286
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:57,760
about it so it wasn't too bad yeah he's

3287
02:20:01,910 --> 02:20:00,399
so easy of a target he's he's yeah but i

3288
02:20:05,110 --> 02:20:01,920
always say you know guys like michio

3289
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:05,120
kaku or guys like uh neil they're in

3290
02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:08,160
this enviable position to me

3291
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:11,520
to to understand this complex science

3292
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:13,120
and communicate it to the everyday

3293
02:20:17,429 --> 02:20:15,200
person even the one researcher who

3294
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,439
turned down the interview me told with

3295
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:18,960
me told me

3296
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:22,240
your job does provide a significant

3297
02:20:26,550 --> 02:20:24,560
science communications value i just

3298
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:26,560
don't want to participate and that's

3299
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:28,960
what i feel as i go i'm the guy yeah you

3300
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:30,720
know whatever hey we could turn down

3301
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,200
before right for interviews but that was

3302
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:35,520
that was the first and last one so far

3303
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:38,319
but yeah i i think that

3304
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:40,960
the idea that the james when you know

3305
02:20:44,550 --> 02:20:42,160
that they've been working on that thing

3306
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:44,560
for 30 years i mean when the jail hubble

3307
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:47,120
went up you know the first hit movie

3308
02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:49,920
comes up everybody has a party and the

3309
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,920
next morning people go so are we working

3310
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:53,680
on a sequel

3311
02:20:57,429 --> 02:20:55,200
james webb

3312
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:57,439
is the sequel of all sequels this is the

3313
02:21:03,270 --> 02:20:59,920
hubble times a thousand this is

3314
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:03,280
so much capability so much science i for

3315
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:05,040
one have been on pins and needles every

3316
02:21:10,150 --> 02:21:07,439
day since it launched watching the

3317
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:10,160
tracker on youtube where each little

3318
02:21:14,710 --> 02:21:12,160
step happened where each little thing

3319
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:14,720
happened because we're right there now

3320
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:17,280
like it's 94 95 percent of the way there

3321
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:18,640
i think it's got about four more days

3322
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:22,000
before it's on station and uh

3323
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:23,600
within a couple of months i think two

3324
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:25,120
months if i remember right i talked to

3325
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:27,359
the the program manager at nasa

3326
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:30,080
elizabeth colon months ago and and uh

3327
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:31,840
she said

3328
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:33,040
this will

3329
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:36,399
i'm sorry dr nicole colon and she said

3330
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:38,399
this will be the craziest two months

3331
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:40,720
where we're tuning the thing in and get

3332
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:42,240
but

3333
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:45,439
once it's online and it starts running

3334
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:47,439
through these things there's a lot of

3335
02:21:51,830 --> 02:21:49,439
cool astronomy there's a lot of base

3336
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:51,840
level knowledge but within all of these

3337
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:54,080
programs are these hunt for life

3338
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:55,840
programs you know bill nelson the head

3339
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:58,160
of nasa said that when he was talking

3340
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,040
about ufos he said when push comes to

3341
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:03,359
shove this is the business we're in at

3342
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:05,920
nasa hunting for life and i'm writing an

3343
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:07,760
essay that's going to go in a compendium

3344
02:22:11,590 --> 02:22:09,760
we're doing at the debrief at the middle

3345
02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:11,600
sometime this year

3346
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:14,399
about that topic about how this world of

3347
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:17,120
science and this world of ufos

3348
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:19,359
are are finally meeting in the middle

3349
02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:21,120
that the venn diagram is overlapping

3350
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:23,120
that there is a place

3351
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:24,319
where

3352
02:22:28,070 --> 02:22:27,120
science presents so much evidence for

3353
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:28,080
life

3354
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:30,720
mainstream traditional

3355
02:22:33,830 --> 02:22:31,760
you know

3356
02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:33,840
neil degrasse times a thousand like the

3357
02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:36,479
most serious disbelieving scientists

3358
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:40,080
will end up in a point very shortly

3359
02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:42,319
where life is everywhere and this proof

3360
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:43,760
is scientific

3361
02:22:47,830 --> 02:22:46,160
so all that's left is

3362
02:22:49,110 --> 02:22:47,840
all right we see all these planets with

3363
02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:49,120
all these signs of life in their

3364
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:50,560
atmospheres

3365
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:52,560
now all we're asking is if none of them

3366
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:54,800
would come here why not we're out we're

3367
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:57,040
on the flip side of the the fermi

3368
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:59,200
paradox we're like

3369
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,280
they're here they're everywhere so why

3370
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:02,880
haven't they come here and that's when

3371
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:05,359
the ufo people go hey dummies

3372
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:07,280
we've been telling you for a long time

3373
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:09,359
that they're here and the scientists go

3374
02:23:13,429 --> 02:23:10,880
okay maybe it's time to look at that

3375
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:13,439
seriously and that's what's happened the

3376
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:14,319
uh

3377
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:19,200
radcliffe and and and some of these

3378
02:23:25,429 --> 02:23:22,880
agency folks uh uh about ufos and uaps

3379
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:25,439
lately all exciting uh

3380
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:28,560
lou elizondo chris mellon

3381
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:29,760
the senate

3382
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:33,200
uh the dod odni all great stuff no

3383
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:34,640
question about it

3384
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:36,880
but those comments from bill nelson two

3385
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:38,160
months ago

3386
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,640
i think were some of the most uh

3387
02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:42,800
uh direct

3388
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:44,800
direct because he didn't he didn't pull

3389
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:47,760
any punches he went straight there and i

3390
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:49,359
think it was one of the most significant

3391
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:51,520
statements on the topic of

3392
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:53,520
et and ufos

3393
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:56,240
that anybody has made in an official

3394
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:57,600
capacity

3395
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,800
when you first heard uh those 10 minutes

3396
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:02,880
were extraordinary

3397
02:24:06,469 --> 02:24:04,160
yes right

3398
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:06,479
what went through your mind

3399
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:09,840
that very first time he talked about it

3400
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:13,200
was uh he was on stage at a nasa event

3401
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:15,600
that nobody but nerds like me who get

3402
02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:18,000
paid to write about it were watching

3403
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:18,960
right

3404
02:24:22,309 --> 02:24:20,640
so when he kind of threw out those first

3405
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:22,319
few comments i'm talking before the even

3406
02:24:27,830 --> 02:24:24,720
the more public video but when he first

3407
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,840
kind of started addressing this

3408
02:24:32,309 --> 02:24:30,160
everybody went holy crap i wrote a story

3409
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:32,319
about it a few other news outlets got it

3410
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:35,600
within 48 hours cnn had him on and i

3411
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:37,040
don't remember who the interview was but

3412
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:38,640
she sat down with him

3413
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:39,920
and

3414
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:42,319
what that's what really struck me those

3415
02:24:47,030 --> 02:24:44,160
initial comments

3416
02:24:49,510 --> 02:24:47,040
i hate to say it he's an older guy he's

3417
02:24:51,510 --> 02:24:49,520
a he's a you know a former astronaut but

3418
02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:51,520
he's a politician

3419
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:54,160
politicians oftentimes say things one

3420
02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:54,960
day

3421
02:24:59,750 --> 02:24:56,880
and are doing something completely else

3422
02:25:01,590 --> 02:24:59,760
the next day if not an hour later so

3423
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:01,600
when he made those initial comments and

3424
02:25:05,190 --> 02:25:03,200
i wrote about other people wrote about

3425
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:05,200
it it was like yeah that's cool

3426
02:25:10,070 --> 02:25:07,439
let's see if he follows up he stayed on

3427
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:10,080
mission right yeah he's brand new at

3428
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:12,640
nasa he's giddy at the job right he's

3429
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:14,880
got like the ultimate old man job like

3430
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:16,479
hey come over to nasa you were an

3431
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:18,720
astronaut you everyone likes you

3432
02:25:24,150 --> 02:25:21,359
you're relatively politically benign uh

3433
02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:24,160
you know uh perfect fit every everyone

3434
02:25:26,870 --> 02:25:25,840
more or less liked him the people at

3435
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:26,880
nasa have been looking for new

3436
02:25:30,150 --> 02:25:28,319
leadership for a while i think it was

3437
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:30,160
that bridenstine was there before then

3438
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:31,439
yeah yeah

3439
02:25:36,790 --> 02:25:35,110
i just felt like there's a chance what

3440
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:36,800
we're hearing is he's giddy right he's

3441
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:38,560
goofy on the new job he's like hey we're

3442
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:40,319
going to look for aliens too because i

3443
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:42,640
was watching 60 minutes drinking sherry

3444
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:44,160
and i went hey honey you think then

3445
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:45,840
things are real and i'm gonna look for

3446
02:25:48,630 --> 02:25:47,280
that because i'm at my new job and i

3447
02:25:50,630 --> 02:25:48,640
can't yes

3448
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:50,640
what happened was when he did the follow

3449
02:25:54,710 --> 02:25:53,040
up with cnn he was very straight she

3450
02:25:56,309 --> 02:25:54,720
asked him really good questions i

3451
02:25:58,870 --> 02:25:56,319
actually wrote a second story about the

3452
02:26:02,309 --> 02:25:58,880
same thing like three days later because

3453
02:26:05,270 --> 02:26:02,319
he doubled down and since then he was at

3454
02:26:08,710 --> 02:26:05,280
the event with uh avril haynes

3455
02:26:10,469 --> 02:26:08,720
and uh oh she's the you know odinn i i

3456
02:26:13,590 --> 02:26:10,479
think the new head of defense

3457
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,600
intelligence i forget abby loeb avilo

3458
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:15,600
and uh

3459
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:18,479
cathedral jeff bezos was there was it

3460
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:20,640
the washington national cathedral yes

3461
02:26:24,070 --> 02:26:22,399
and when he was at that event and i

3462
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:24,080
wrote about this in the another article

3463
02:26:28,070 --> 02:26:25,680
i said the thing that really struck me

3464
02:26:33,110 --> 02:26:30,230
they were talking about the search for

3465
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:33,120
life in a conventional james webb

3466
02:26:37,270 --> 02:26:35,280
dig the rocks up on mars and bring him

3467
02:26:38,870 --> 02:26:37,280
back and look for a hey we found an

3468
02:26:39,670 --> 02:26:38,880
amiibo on mars

3469
02:26:40,469 --> 02:26:39,680
right

3470
02:26:44,070 --> 02:26:40,479
and

3471
02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:44,080
he starts bringing up the tic-tac

3472
02:26:48,309 --> 02:26:46,800
and the military and the three videos

3473
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,319
that have been released and what he's

3474
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:50,399
hearing from pilots and i can tell you

3475
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:51,840
it's the same thing we here at the

3476
02:26:55,670 --> 02:26:53,600
debris from pilots we're not always able

3477
02:26:58,710 --> 02:26:55,680
to write about it but i did write about

3478
02:27:02,710 --> 02:26:58,720
when ryan graves the you know uh navy

3479
02:27:04,389 --> 02:27:02,720
pilot who is a witness told me i i

3480
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:04,399
talked to air force pilots even though

3481
02:27:07,830 --> 02:27:06,160
the the air force itself has not been

3482
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:07,840
public on this issue

3483
02:27:11,670 --> 02:27:09,359
i talked to air force pilots and this

3484
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:11,680
was in august he told me i talked to him

3485
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:14,080
last week and they're still seeing it

3486
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:15,120
right

3487
02:27:19,670 --> 02:27:17,120
bill nelson brought that up at that

3488
02:27:21,510 --> 02:27:19,680
national cathedral event he connect he

3489
02:27:23,429 --> 02:27:21,520
did exactly what i'm talking about is he

3490
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:23,439
took this mainstream

3491
02:27:27,910 --> 02:27:26,160
nasa's mission to look at meteorites and

3492
02:27:29,830 --> 02:27:27,920
all these other pla to really understand

3493
02:27:32,630 --> 02:27:29,840
the cosmos and within that one of its

3494
02:27:36,389 --> 02:27:32,640
missions is to to look for life to like

3495
02:27:38,070 --> 02:27:36,399
oh no no no that's what we do it's our

3496
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:38,080
job

3497
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:38,960
right

3498
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:42,080
yes we search for light so

3499
02:27:46,389 --> 02:27:45,040
if if if they're here and they're in our

3500
02:27:48,309 --> 02:27:46,399
atmosphere

3501
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:48,319
you know it kind of shortcuts the search

3502
02:27:51,990 --> 02:27:50,399
a little bit but hey who's who's not

3503
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:52,000
interested in skipping to the end if we

3504
02:27:56,469 --> 02:27:54,160
can get to the end right i don't mind

3505
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:56,479
going through the process of venus and

3506
02:28:02,150 --> 02:28:00,000
mars and gases and exoplanets because

3507
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:02,160
i grew up in a world where ufos were so

3508
02:28:06,550 --> 02:28:04,080
ridiculed i just assumed that would

3509
02:28:08,630 --> 02:28:06,560
never come to a head in my lifetime the

3510
02:28:11,110 --> 02:28:08,640
fact that it's coming to a head in a way

3511
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:11,120
that like people behind the scenes are

3512
02:28:15,110 --> 02:28:13,359
going yeah i've seen this video i've

3513
02:28:17,349 --> 02:28:15,120
seen these amazing photos i've seen

3514
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:17,359
these things i say all the time lou

3515
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:19,359
elizondo and his cohorts for better or

3516
02:28:22,790 --> 02:28:20,880
worse

3517
02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:22,800
create an information bubble that has to

3518
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:25,600
burst we now know there's this longer

3519
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:28,080
video congress saw we now know there's

3520
02:28:32,389 --> 02:28:29,760
all these things at least those the

3521
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:32,399
selected members and intelligence so now

3522
02:28:37,110 --> 02:28:34,800
that there's no longer does is there a

3523
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:37,120
picture of the calvine photo or is nick

3524
02:28:41,750 --> 02:28:40,000
pope a goofball right no this is it's

3525
02:28:43,750 --> 02:28:41,760
real it's there we have it that

3526
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:43,760
information is there that bubble will

3527
02:28:48,070 --> 02:28:45,520
burst at some point whether it's tim

3528
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:48,080
mcmillan or micah hanks or what you know

3529
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:49,680
one of these other reporters somebody's

3530
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:51,600
going to have that information we're

3531
02:28:56,870 --> 02:28:54,640
going to have that at some point we

3532
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:56,880
or history goes down as

3533
02:29:03,590 --> 02:28:59,760
really they shut this thing down like in

3534
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:03,600
a crazy way like in a in a 1984

3535
02:29:08,230 --> 02:29:05,760
dystopian way right right

3536
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:08,240
i don't see coming because here's the

3537
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:10,800
the last point i'll make on that

3538
02:29:15,590 --> 02:29:12,800
when i talk to mainstream scientists a

3539
02:29:17,349 --> 02:29:15,600
lot of them are younger than me now

3540
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:17,359
a lot of them are in their 30s and 40s

3541
02:29:23,349 --> 02:29:20,479
and some are even in their 20s

3542
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,359
when blue books shut down

3543
02:29:27,270 --> 02:29:25,200
if you went around and surveyed every

3544
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:27,280
scientist from those at the top to the

3545
02:29:31,190 --> 02:29:28,800
ones down at

3546
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:31,200
uh science at harvard universities

3547
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,359
getting their bachelor's

3548
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:35,520
the general opinion

3549
02:29:40,469 --> 02:29:38,080
the general attitude about life other

3550
02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:40,479
planets even existing much less life on

3551
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:43,120
them but life on other planets

3552
02:29:49,750 --> 02:29:46,319
was a pretty ridiculous notion

3553
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:49,760
it's more or less the de facto position

3554
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:51,840
of scientists i talk i talk to people

3555
02:29:57,190 --> 02:29:54,880
about coral biology and they'll tell me

3556
02:29:59,349 --> 02:29:57,200
oh yeah corals talk to each other and we

3557
02:30:01,030 --> 02:29:59,359
think because of the dynamics of water

3558
02:30:02,950 --> 02:30:01,040
there might be some convergent evolution

3559
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:02,960
and one of the things we might find up

3560
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:05,040
in europa under the waters we might find

3561
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:06,720
some coral right or we might find some

3562
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:08,800
squids or what

3563
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:12,240
it's just the place we're operating from

3564
02:30:15,349 --> 02:30:13,359
just the

3565
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:15,359
as my wife likes to say older people

3566
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,120
with old ideas die and new people with

3567
02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:19,280
new ideas are born right and we have a

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world of people that have grown up

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that they didn't have to find in search

3570
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:26,000
of on videotape at the video store if

3571
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:27,600
they missed an episode they can just go

3572
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:30,240
to the internet and immerse themselves

3573
02:30:33,750 --> 02:30:32,960
like dave chappelle in ufo videos

3574
02:30:34,870 --> 02:30:33,760
so

3575
02:30:37,670 --> 02:30:34,880
yeah

3576
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:37,680
we're in a whole new world with this and

3577
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:38,880
yeah i would

3578
02:30:42,710 --> 02:30:40,800
it's amazing it really is amazing the

3579
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:42,720
tools this james webb

3580
02:30:47,110 --> 02:30:44,479
from a conventional science standpoint

3581
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:47,120
will change everything and the ufo

3582
02:30:49,490 --> 02:30:48,880
discussion is just in a whole new place

3583
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:49,500
and yeah

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[Music]

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02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:52,560
that's what's amazing like i said i got

3586
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:54,319
hired at the debrief i said i'm not

3587
02:30:58,070 --> 02:30:55,840
writing about ufos right listen no

3588
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,080
you're writing about science and halfway

3589
02:31:02,950 --> 02:31:01,120
into my first year the head of nasa is

3590
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,960
talking about ufos so who's going to

3591
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:05,040
cover that it's my job right yeah and

3592
02:31:10,389 --> 02:31:07,520
yeah well i'm not covering it and i see

3593
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:10,399
that more my worlds are overlapping my

3594
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:12,240
my personal interest in ufos and my

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02:31:17,110 --> 02:31:13,920
professional responsibility to write

3596
02:31:19,030 --> 02:31:17,120
about science are starting to overlap

3597
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:19,040
it's doing the same thing all around the

3598
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world now this is the deal

3599
02:31:24,230 --> 02:31:22,399
chris

3600
02:31:25,830 --> 02:31:24,240
you're staying over

3601
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for overtime

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okay so you can tell your wife uh i've

3603
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got other stuff to do i've got a date

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tonight uh with jimmy church and

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i need another 20 minutes

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we've been together for 27 years the

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best thing i can tell her is she has 20

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more minutes without me so

3609
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uh you just made her like when i should

3610
02:31:47,670 --> 02:31:45,760
walk out of the office 30 minutes from

3611
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now she's going to be like tell jimmy i

3612
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love him

3613
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she's the best let's take our break

3614
02:31:57,429 --> 02:31:54,080
we've got more to talk about and here's

3615
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:57,439
as we roll into the break uh

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02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:00,960
an astronomer a year ago a chris uh in

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next exoplanet and she goes when i go to

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i know right let's take our break we'll

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be right back stay with us overtime is

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02:37:42,070 --> 02:37:38,080
welcome back fade to block i'm your host

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jimmy church over time with chris plain

3721
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:44,960
you saw this coming nobody's surprised

3722
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:46,720
there's no way

3723
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:48,000
the show was ending what a great

3724
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:50,479
conversation tonight and uh chris when

3725
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:52,080
we get to overtime

3726
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:53,840
i like to loosen up a little bit

3727
02:37:58,150 --> 02:37:55,600
although we've been uh pretty loose

3728
02:37:59,670 --> 02:37:58,160
tonight uh dehydrated seaweed i'm just

3729
02:38:01,110 --> 02:37:59,680
gonna say that one more time

3730
02:38:02,950 --> 02:38:01,120
is uh

3731
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:02,960
and you're going to get some blowback uh

3732
02:38:07,750 --> 02:38:04,960
about dehydrated seaweed tomorrow from

3733
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:07,760
one of your co-workers but uh we'll save

3734
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:16,070
yes yes yes um is is

3735
02:38:20,230 --> 02:38:17,359
star trek

3736
02:38:23,910 --> 02:38:20,240
now before we get into this um

3737
02:38:24,950 --> 02:38:23,920
uh i i like the og star trek okay all

3738
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:24,960
right

3739
02:38:28,550 --> 02:38:27,680
that to me is

3740
02:38:31,030 --> 02:38:28,560
but

3741
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:31,040
star trek discovery

3742
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:32,880
messed with my head that was just

3743
02:38:38,070 --> 02:38:35,760
absolutely amazing and uh season three

3744
02:38:41,349 --> 02:38:38,080
is is getting ready to launch and i'm

3745
02:38:43,670 --> 02:38:41,359
very excited about that but um picard

3746
02:38:45,510 --> 02:38:43,680
all the i i don't have the time to

3747
02:38:48,230 --> 02:38:45,520
invest into that

3748
02:38:49,990 --> 02:38:48,240
but uh i certainly uh

3749
02:38:51,990 --> 02:38:50,000
uh thoroughly enjoyed star trek

3750
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:52,000
discovery uh just

3751
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:53,040
just great

3752
02:38:57,349 --> 02:38:54,640
but uh

3753
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:57,359
your article uh

3754
02:39:03,510 --> 02:38:58,640
seven

3755
02:39:05,429 --> 02:39:03,520
uh technologies

3756
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:05,439
they're nearing reality something along

3757
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:07,280
those lines something along those lines

3758
02:39:12,790 --> 02:39:09,040
and and i want to go down this list with

3759
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:12,800
you if we can because just recently um i

3760
02:39:16,469 --> 02:39:14,319
don't know if you caught this but it

3761
02:39:17,990 --> 02:39:16,479
made it into uh the media

3762
02:39:19,750 --> 02:39:18,000
uh that

3763
02:39:22,389 --> 02:39:19,760
the tricorder

3764
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:22,399
is is now perfected you know this it's

3765
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:25,280
here and now so

3766
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:27,680
uh what chuck tickled it's interesting

3767
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:29,920
you would use the tricorder what tickled

3768
02:39:35,510 --> 02:39:32,960
this idea for me was micah hanks had

3769
02:39:36,830 --> 02:39:35,520
written a story at the debrief about

3770
02:39:40,630 --> 02:39:36,840
how

3771
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:40,640
scientists were using a helicopter

3772
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:42,880
and they could fly over the ground and

3773
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:45,359
using certain sets of readings they

3774
02:39:49,990 --> 02:39:48,080
could tell if there was life down there

3775
02:39:52,150 --> 02:39:50,000
now anybody who's watched star trek of

3776
02:39:54,550 --> 02:39:52,160
any type can tell you that the ships

3777
02:39:56,630 --> 02:39:54,560
pull up into orbit then they go i'm

3778
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:56,640
picking up signs of life or as you said

3779
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,640
they're walking around on some orange

3780
02:40:01,910 --> 02:40:00,399
planet or something and they've got

3781
02:40:04,630 --> 02:40:01,920
their tricorder in their hand and they

3782
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:04,640
go i'm picking up signs of life now

3783
02:40:07,830 --> 02:40:06,560
there's also the medical application

3784
02:40:09,670 --> 02:40:07,840
tricorder you get right down to

3785
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:09,680
somebody's body and your skin and their

3786
02:40:13,750 --> 02:40:11,680
body that's a whole other thing but i

3787
02:40:14,550 --> 02:40:13,760
can tell you that the thing micah wrote

3788
02:40:17,349 --> 02:40:14,560
about

3789
02:40:19,590 --> 02:40:17,359
was this remote sensing of life

3790
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:19,600
and i said man that's right out of star

3791
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:20,720
trek

3792
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:23,040
and i thought of the the communicator

3793
02:40:27,030 --> 02:40:24,880
right we were talking about cell phones

3794
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:27,040
earlier and i went hell we've had that

3795
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:28,240
for a while

3796
02:40:32,950 --> 02:40:30,319
and then i thought about

3797
02:40:35,349 --> 02:40:32,960
the computer on star trek on the ship

3798
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:35,359
that you would computer right scotty

3799
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:38,160
would say computer and then the computer

3800
02:40:42,870 --> 02:40:40,720
would respond and that was of course uh

3801
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,880
gene roddenberry's wife majol barrett

3802
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:45,359
did the computer voice for like five of

3803
02:40:50,389 --> 02:40:48,720
the series i think but uh we already

3804
02:40:53,269 --> 02:40:50,399
have that right we have alexa we have

3805
02:40:54,070 --> 02:40:53,279
siri so it just triggered that idea i

3806
02:40:56,710 --> 02:40:54,080
said

3807
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:56,720
what star trek technologies

3808
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:58,560
have already come true

3809
02:41:03,110 --> 02:41:00,240
and which ones

3810
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:03,120
are likely or could possibly come true

3811
02:41:07,269 --> 02:41:05,359
and are there any that just seem

3812
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:07,279
impossible

3813
02:41:12,469 --> 02:41:09,600
and so that was the genesis for that

3814
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:12,479
story it came from micah it came from my

3815
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:14,800
love of science fiction and and

3816
02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:15,600
and

3817
02:41:20,710 --> 02:41:18,000
i i the term i use all the time when

3818
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:20,720
speaking about scientists is i say good

3819
02:41:25,990 --> 02:41:24,000
science fiction makes for great science

3820
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:26,000
and it's completely true because when

3821
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:28,800
you talk to scientists there are very

3822
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:31,600
few with any especially in things like

3823
02:41:37,190 --> 02:41:34,240
propulsion or fusion energy or these

3824
02:41:39,429 --> 02:41:37,200
these very edge ideas that weren't

3825
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:39,439
heavily influenced by science fiction

3826
02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:40,560
growing up

3827
02:41:44,790 --> 02:41:43,120
so i thought man let's go take a look at

3828
02:41:45,990 --> 02:41:44,800
star trek and see

3829
02:41:48,070 --> 02:41:46,000
what else

3830
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:48,080
what be now that we have

3831
02:41:52,469 --> 02:41:49,680
the computer you can talk to and we have

3832
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:52,479
the communicator and and he's reporting

3833
02:41:56,790 --> 02:41:54,000
that we have the tricorder as you

3834
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:56,800
pointed out or the or the life sensor

3835
02:42:01,990 --> 02:41:59,040
what do we do next what's the next stop

3836
02:42:05,590 --> 02:42:02,000
so i i've started breaking them down

3837
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,600
i i'm looking through i have some

3838
02:42:09,429 --> 02:42:07,279
photographs

3839
02:42:11,429 --> 02:42:09,439
of me

3840
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:11,439
with the

3841
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:12,640
original

3842
02:42:16,710 --> 02:42:14,319
communicator

3843
02:42:18,870 --> 02:42:16,720
fantastic yeah and uh so that's what i'm

3844
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:18,880
doing here and you know what just like

3845
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:20,479
anything else

3846
02:42:24,630 --> 02:42:21,359
uh

3847
02:42:26,150 --> 02:42:24,640
and

3848
02:42:29,830 --> 02:42:26,160
what are you looking for in my article

3849
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:29,840
no a picture of me with uh

3850
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:31,200
with the original

3851
02:42:36,309 --> 02:42:32,960
and um also i thought you meant you

3852
02:42:38,630 --> 02:42:36,319
already had it uh no no okay so

3853
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:38,640
well it and just like you know the

3854
02:42:43,910 --> 02:42:41,760
communicator and you're going back to 68

3855
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:43,920
and flipping that thing up

3856
02:42:47,910 --> 02:42:46,720
if that isn't you know just a motorola

3857
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:47,920
flip phone

3858
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:50,000
right there isn't another

3859
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:53,520
and and we never uh imagined

3860
02:42:56,790 --> 02:42:55,120
that it would be

3861
02:42:57,990 --> 02:42:56,800
as common

3862
02:43:00,630 --> 02:42:58,000
as

3863
02:43:02,309 --> 02:43:00,640
what milk in the refrigerator right it's

3864
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:02,319
it's it's like that

3865
02:43:08,150 --> 02:43:04,640
i think the first

3866
02:43:09,670 --> 02:43:08,160
customized ring tone had to be flipping

3867
02:43:11,670 --> 02:43:09,680
open your phone and have it do the

3868
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:11,680
communicator sound yeah i mean i saw

3869
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:13,439
people build that in later as the

3870
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:15,840
ringtones became more popular yeah it

3871
02:43:19,830 --> 02:43:17,840
was it's like i talked about with the

3872
02:43:22,469 --> 02:43:19,840
with the shoe phone or as you said with

3873
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:22,479
the wrist watch phone to sew out their

3874
02:43:27,190 --> 02:43:24,479
concepts but technology is moving so

3875
02:43:29,910 --> 02:43:27,200
fast that that in our lifetime guys like

3876
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:29,920
you and i went from like dude my friend

3877
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:32,000
has cable tv

3878
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:33,760
where you don't have to pick it up on an

3879
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:37,120
antenna to like ah the weather is bad my

3880
02:43:40,630 --> 02:43:38,800
satellite's a little scratchy today

3881
02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:40,640
right you know for my effing satellite

3882
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:43,120
you're getting here so yeah i

3883
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:44,720
i know

3884
02:43:51,269 --> 02:43:48,080
so well you told me to loosen up yes

3885
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:51,279
so let's go down this list all right so

3886
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:52,720
i i don't have it right in front of me

3887
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:54,479
but i can i can do most of them from

3888
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:57,200
memory i think so first of all i looked

3889
02:44:00,230 --> 02:43:58,560
at food replicators right because

3890
02:44:01,590 --> 02:44:00,240
there's something in the uh some in the

3891
02:44:04,230 --> 02:44:01,600
star trek world where you walk at the

3892
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:04,240
machine you go t earl grey hot or or you

3893
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:05,840
say give me a lasagna light on the

3894
02:44:10,469 --> 02:44:09,040
cheese and boom it's there right

3895
02:44:13,110 --> 02:44:10,479
so

3896
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:13,120
that technology in the tv show seems to

3897
02:44:16,269 --> 02:44:15,200
use something like the transporter beam

3898
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:16,279
where it's

3899
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:18,640
materializing the food

3900
02:44:23,910 --> 02:44:22,160
so that technology doesn't exist but

3901
02:44:28,070 --> 02:44:23,920
what i did find was

3902
02:44:32,070 --> 02:44:28,080
these essential like 3d printers that

3903
02:44:33,910 --> 02:44:32,080
have been customized to put food out in

3904
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:33,920
various proportions in various

3905
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:36,240
collections to where there's actually a

3906
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:37,840
couple of these restaurants including

3907
02:44:43,990 --> 02:44:40,720
one in new york that you can go to that

3908
02:44:46,469 --> 02:44:44,000
offers 3d printed food and you just say

3909
02:44:49,030 --> 02:44:46,479
ah give me a you know a hamburger and

3910
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:49,040
fries and it prints the closest

3911
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:51,600
approximation of that from the right

3912
02:44:58,150 --> 02:44:54,800
ingredients wait wait wait wait wait

3913
02:44:59,670 --> 02:44:58,160
slow this does this isn't real yeah so

3914
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:59,680
it's not going to make you a hamburger

3915
02:45:03,269 --> 02:45:00,880
and a bonnet that you're not going to

3916
02:45:05,990 --> 02:45:03,279
look at it go but

3917
02:45:07,910 --> 02:45:06,000
think of a frozen food tray when you

3918
02:45:10,070 --> 02:45:07,920
tear it open right yeah and you've got

3919
02:45:12,230 --> 02:45:10,080
your brown glop your green glop your

3920
02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:12,240
yellow glop and your white glove this

3921
02:45:17,510 --> 02:45:15,359
will make that kind of army ration food

3922
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,520
from different foods that are in there

3923
02:45:21,429 --> 02:45:19,920
that are cooking within this machine or

3924
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:21,439
have been put in there that are cracked

3925
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,920
like vegetables and things and yes

3926
02:45:28,309 --> 02:45:25,439
they're using it at a handful of

3927
02:45:30,710 --> 02:45:28,319
hospitals where it's basically a robot

3928
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:30,720
replacing the cook right

3929
02:45:34,790 --> 02:45:33,279
so you could say like chicken soup

3930
02:45:36,469 --> 02:45:34,800
yeah and it's going to make you a

3931
02:45:39,110 --> 02:45:36,479
chicken give you a menu of what's

3932
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:39,120
available in that machine right right so

3933
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:41,520
at the restaurant they give you a menu

3934
02:45:44,710 --> 02:45:43,040
and you pick

3935
02:45:47,190 --> 02:45:44,720
from the things that are available and

3936
02:45:48,550 --> 02:45:47,200
yes if you say

3937
02:45:50,710 --> 02:45:48,560
print me uh

3938
02:45:54,070 --> 02:45:50,720
you know enchiladas it'll print

3939
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:54,080
enchiladas if you say uh print me a veal

3940
02:46:01,910 --> 02:45:56,479
if that's what's in the machine as meat

3941
02:46:05,349 --> 02:46:04,309
so yeah it's a that was the first one i

3942
02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:05,359
looked at

3943
02:46:10,870 --> 02:46:07,920
that's the closest we are

3944
02:46:13,110 --> 02:46:10,880
okay let me ask you man would you would

3945
02:46:16,710 --> 02:46:13,120
you eat the food

3946
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:16,720
is that a fat joke jimmy is that

3947
02:46:20,309 --> 02:46:18,399
but you know what i mean it's one thing

3948
02:46:22,150 --> 02:46:20,319
to enjoy the technology

3949
02:46:26,389 --> 02:46:22,160
um

3950
02:46:31,269 --> 02:46:26,399
a sushi uh uh you know conveyor belt

3951
02:46:33,429 --> 02:46:31,279
restaurant which i've i've uh been to

3952
02:46:35,510 --> 02:46:33,439
i'm reticent

3953
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:35,520
to eat the sushi i'm fascinated with the

3954
02:46:39,750 --> 02:46:38,399
technology right but i need my sushi

3955
02:46:41,830 --> 02:46:39,760
chef to

3956
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:41,840
prep this in front of me

3957
02:46:47,429 --> 02:46:44,720
i think real food like real like you

3958
02:46:49,190 --> 02:46:47,439
want a cut of a steak that has the meat

3959
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:49,200
fiber you know it's real estate or you

3960
02:46:52,710 --> 02:46:50,960
want you know especially with animal

3961
02:46:54,950 --> 02:46:52,720
proteins i think seafood you're talking

3962
02:46:58,389 --> 02:46:54,960
about there i think there's no doubt

3963
02:47:01,269 --> 02:46:58,399
like that's the last on the list is 3d

3964
02:47:03,269 --> 02:47:01,279
printed meat but i think across a lot of

3965
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:03,279
the other things like for instance if

3966
02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:06,399
you get a box of cookies at the store

3967
02:47:11,269 --> 02:47:08,720
that's 3d printed cookies that's just a

3968
02:47:13,269 --> 02:47:11,279
big machine that's much larger that

3969
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:13,279
automatically mix the ingredients in the

3970
02:47:17,510 --> 02:47:14,720
right proportions

3971
02:47:20,309 --> 02:47:17,520
churned it up spit it out a little tube

3972
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,319
a machine cut off each one and now you

3973
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:23,040
have a tray of cookies so it's just a

3974
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:26,560
much bigger 3d printer but essentially

3975
02:47:30,630 --> 02:47:28,319
automated food

3976
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:30,640
manufacturer like that for boxed foods

3977
02:47:34,950 --> 02:47:32,880
and pastas a lot of things is already

3978
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:34,960
kind of done on a larger scale so that's

3979
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:36,640
what you're really getting is little

3980
02:47:42,230 --> 02:47:40,240
tiny food factory slash kitchen so 3d

3981
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:42,240
printed veal palm

3982
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:43,600
right

3983
02:47:49,030 --> 02:47:47,120
now

3984
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:49,040
right is and that's what it would be

3985
02:47:53,990 --> 02:47:50,960
right so your eyes are closed you're

3986
02:47:55,750 --> 02:47:54,000
blindfolded and somebody puts a spoonful

3987
02:47:59,510 --> 02:47:55,760
of that in your mouth

3988
02:48:00,790 --> 02:47:59,520
and it's got the texture of pudding

3989
02:48:08,070 --> 02:48:00,800
or

3990
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:08,080
what's the concern what's the difference

3991
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:09,680
you you know uh

3992
02:48:12,550 --> 02:48:11,359
it depends on uh

3993
02:48:14,830 --> 02:48:12,560
which part of the world you're in and

3994
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:14,840
what hospital you're in right yeah

3995
02:48:19,190 --> 02:48:17,040
yeah if they're serving this at the

3996
02:48:21,349 --> 02:48:19,200
barracks you're like ah you know this is

3997
02:48:23,990 --> 02:48:21,359
better than a tuesday yeah

3998
02:48:26,150 --> 02:48:24,000
right if you're serving this on rodeo

3999
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:26,160
drive at a cafe

4000
02:48:30,309 --> 02:48:27,520
uh yeah you're probably gonna have a

4001
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,319
clientele that's not uh appreciating the

4002
02:48:35,510 --> 02:48:32,960
3d printed lamb chop you remember in a

4003
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:35,520
2001 a space odyssey bowman is sitting

4004
02:48:41,990 --> 02:48:38,240
there he's eating he's got his you know

4005
02:48:44,469 --> 02:48:42,000
and the picture of like uh peas is on

4006
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:44,479
the top and a picture of beef in a pit

4007
02:48:50,070 --> 02:48:46,960
and he's peeling you know it anyway but

4008
02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:50,080
it's that it looks like refried beans

4009
02:48:53,510 --> 02:48:51,680
right yeah that's what it looks like and

4010
02:48:54,790 --> 02:48:53,520
he's taking it he's dipping it in the

4011
02:48:56,830 --> 02:48:54,800
sauce

4012
02:48:59,110 --> 02:48:56,840
and he's eating it

4013
02:49:00,630 --> 02:48:59,120
totally probably soylent green is

4014
02:49:01,830 --> 02:49:00,640
probably an option on that machine

4015
02:49:04,070 --> 02:49:01,840
that's right that's right that's where

4016
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:04,080
i'm going okay what's next

4017
02:49:08,230 --> 02:49:06,720
um so i'm gonna jump all the way to the

4018
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:08,240
end of the list because this is the most

4019
02:49:11,670 --> 02:49:09,359
compelling

4020
02:49:13,750 --> 02:49:11,680
when i said seven star technologies

4021
02:49:16,389 --> 02:49:13,760
potentially coming true

4022
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:16,399
there are six that were from highly

4023
02:49:22,790 --> 02:49:20,560
viable like a like a uh sensing signs of

4024
02:49:25,750 --> 02:49:22,800
life from a distance something that's

4025
02:49:27,030 --> 02:49:25,760
been proven and could be applied

4026
02:49:29,830 --> 02:49:27,040
something like a

4027
02:49:31,429 --> 02:49:29,840
photon torpedo right like a photon

4028
02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:31,439
torpedo is just a torpedo with

4029
02:49:35,030 --> 02:49:32,880
anti-matter we know how to make

4030
02:49:36,870 --> 02:49:35,040
anti-matter we have a hard time

4031
02:49:38,230 --> 02:49:36,880
collecting a lot keeping it for a long

4032
02:49:40,469 --> 02:49:38,240
time and but we're right at the

4033
02:49:42,630 --> 02:49:40,479
beginning of anti-matter science so at

4034
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:42,640
some point we'll be able to harvest it

4035
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:45,359
and make enough that you know humans if

4036
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:47,200
we harvest enough of something that's

4037
02:49:51,830 --> 02:49:49,359
explosive we will put it in a bomb and

4038
02:49:53,510 --> 02:49:51,840
shoot it somewhere so the photon torpedo

4039
02:49:55,030 --> 02:49:53,520
so you go down the list and there these

4040
02:49:57,750 --> 02:49:55,040
various the warp drive is pretty

4041
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:57,760
esoteric but can get there at the end of

4042
02:50:03,349 --> 02:50:00,880
the list is the transporter yes

4043
02:50:05,750 --> 02:50:03,359
at the opening of tonight's show jimmy

4044
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:05,760
posed the thought experiment

4045
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:09,120
where his brain was taken apart one cell

4046
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:10,399
at a time

4047
02:50:15,910 --> 02:50:13,840
and reassembled outside of itself and

4048
02:50:18,550 --> 02:50:15,920
what that would be like so the idea

4049
02:50:21,830 --> 02:50:18,560
behind a transporter is just that that

4050
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,840
it scans your entire body down to the

4051
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:23,120
smallest

4052
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:25,200
subatomic particle

4053
02:50:31,510 --> 02:50:27,520
at the exact moment

4054
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:31,520
and then it uses that to make a copy

4055
02:50:36,950 --> 02:50:32,800
like a a

4056
02:50:39,349 --> 02:50:36,960
a computer blueprint of jimmy church

4057
02:50:41,590 --> 02:50:39,359
then it sends that copy to wherever the

4058
02:50:44,389 --> 02:50:41,600
other side of the transporter is and

4059
02:50:48,469 --> 02:50:44,399
just like the food replicator

4060
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:48,479
it uses matter and energy to rebuild

4061
02:50:52,870 --> 02:50:51,040
jimmy church exactly the way he was when

4062
02:50:54,710 --> 02:50:52,880
it zapped him away right so that's the

4063
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:54,720
like if you go to the star trek lore and

4064
02:50:58,950 --> 02:50:57,040
you read the that's the technology

4065
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:58,960
they're proposing a

4066
02:51:03,110 --> 02:51:01,200
a much more

4067
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:03,120
advanced method of exactly your thought

4068
02:51:06,230 --> 02:51:04,720
experiment taking you apart one piece at

4069
02:51:08,309 --> 02:51:06,240
a time and putting it back together to

4070
02:51:10,469 --> 02:51:08,319
someone else right but in this case it's

4071
02:51:11,830 --> 02:51:10,479
a pattern so

4072
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:11,840
first of all

4073
02:51:16,469 --> 02:51:14,160
um there's a thing called the heisenberg

4074
02:51:18,469 --> 02:51:16,479
uncertainty principle

4075
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:18,479
right yeah dr heisenberg was driving

4076
02:51:21,030 --> 02:51:19,920
down the street the cop pulled him over

4077
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:21,040
and said do you know how fast you're

4078
02:51:25,590 --> 02:51:23,279
going he says no but i know where i am

4079
02:51:27,750 --> 02:51:25,600
so the point is with the heisenberg

4080
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:27,760
uncertainty principle when you measure

4081
02:51:30,550 --> 02:51:28,880
something

4082
02:51:32,309 --> 02:51:30,560
you can measure one thing about it you

4083
02:51:34,230 --> 02:51:32,319
can measure its location you can measure

4084
02:51:35,670 --> 02:51:34,240
how fast it's moving and of course at

4085
02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:35,680
the atomic scale or even the quantum

4086
02:51:40,070 --> 02:51:37,439
scale things are in constant high speed

4087
02:51:41,429 --> 02:51:40,080
motion so the idea of

4088
02:51:46,630 --> 02:51:41,439
measuring

4089
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,640
just scanning you and getting a perfect

4090
02:51:51,590 --> 02:51:49,040
copy of you down to every cell that

4091
02:51:54,150 --> 02:51:51,600
could be replicated somewhere else

4092
02:51:57,269 --> 02:51:54,160
just seems to violate physics and seems

4093
02:52:00,230 --> 02:51:57,279
to be beyond something you can engineer

4094
02:52:01,910 --> 02:52:00,240
the the the thought experiment side of

4095
02:52:04,070 --> 02:52:01,920
it says this

4096
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:04,080
if you were able to do it if you could

4097
02:52:10,710 --> 02:52:07,359
scan jimmy you could get every molecule

4098
02:52:12,230 --> 02:52:10,720
every atom every proton neutron electron

4099
02:52:13,349 --> 02:52:12,240
exactly

4100
02:52:16,309 --> 02:52:13,359
and you

4101
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:16,319
then essentially demolish it

4102
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:18,000
you know vaporize it as you see the

4103
02:52:22,070 --> 02:52:20,800
people's fists away it reappears on the

4104
02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:22,080
other side

4105
02:52:28,389 --> 02:52:25,520
and that new you

4106
02:52:31,349 --> 02:52:28,399
is not you you were just killed

4107
02:52:33,750 --> 02:52:31,359
okay so what happened is a new you was

4108
02:52:36,710 --> 02:52:33,760
just made but the thing about the new

4109
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:36,720
you is it has every memory every

4110
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:39,520
experience from a material level has

4111
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:42,640
everything that was you so it is very

4112
02:52:45,510 --> 02:52:44,399
likely that the new you will think it's

4113
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:45,520
you

4114
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:47,200
that it will be like yeah i remember

4115
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:48,479
stepping in the throat like everything

4116
02:52:52,230 --> 02:52:50,000
in my life stepped in they hit the

4117
02:52:53,830 --> 02:52:52,240
button now i came out the other side but

4118
02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:53,840
the truth is every time you step in the

4119
02:52:57,110 --> 02:52:55,760
transporter you're probably dead and

4120
02:52:58,870 --> 02:52:57,120
they even kind of dealt with it in a

4121
02:53:00,790 --> 02:52:58,880
couple of star trek you said you didn't

4122
02:53:02,870 --> 02:53:00,800
watch next generation they had one where

4123
02:53:04,710 --> 02:53:02,880
there was a transporter accident riker

4124
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:04,720
essentially got replicated twice so he

4125
02:53:09,269 --> 02:53:06,880
came back to the ship and one of him got

4126
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:09,279
left behind on another planet and boom

4127
02:53:13,349 --> 02:53:11,600
you got two of them well of course uh

4128
02:53:15,429 --> 02:53:13,359
neither one is the real him because the

4129
02:53:17,670 --> 02:53:15,439
real him you know was already killed

4130
02:53:19,990 --> 02:53:17,680
first time he was a transporter 50 years

4131
02:53:22,309 --> 02:53:20,000
ago right right right right and each

4132
02:53:23,830 --> 02:53:22,319
version is just a copy so there's that

4133
02:53:25,110 --> 02:53:23,840
and then there's the copy of the copy of

4134
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:25,120
the copy

4135
02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:26,960
so even if you are getting really close

4136
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:29,760
to high fidelity of scanning everything

4137
02:53:33,830 --> 02:53:31,279
really close you're replicating it

4138
02:53:35,429 --> 02:53:33,840
really close like the next jimmy church

4139
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:35,439
you make might have like blonde hair

4140
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:37,920
right or might might be missing an arm

4141
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:39,760
or something or whatever so

4142
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:42,479
the transporter was the one technology

4143
02:53:45,510 --> 02:53:43,920
of everything i mean

4144
02:53:47,590 --> 02:53:45,520
tractor beams

4145
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:47,600
photons torpedoes

4146
02:53:53,830 --> 02:53:51,680
you name it warp drives there are viable

4147
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:53,840
realistic options for doing all of those

4148
02:53:59,429 --> 02:53:56,399
things that seem to fit

4149
02:54:01,349 --> 02:53:59,439
again 150 years of real science like you

4150
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:01,359
know the late 1800s when we got really

4151
02:54:04,790 --> 02:54:03,200
into advanced physics and advanced sort

4152
02:54:07,750 --> 02:54:04,800
of so

4153
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:07,760
in that time and in our understanding

4154
02:54:11,269 --> 02:54:10,000
all of those seem possible the

4155
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:11,279
transporter

4156
02:54:15,910 --> 02:54:14,000
between heisenberg and between

4157
02:54:18,469 --> 02:54:15,920
uh you know that now what what i think

4158
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:18,479
is not impossible

4159
02:54:22,230 --> 02:54:20,080
is something like think of the tic tac

4160
02:54:24,309 --> 02:54:22,240
turned vertically right and it's

4161
02:54:25,750 --> 02:54:24,319
you know what are you six nine jimmy

4162
02:54:29,190 --> 02:54:25,760
right so yes

4163
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:29,200
yes so six nine bill brasky six nine two

4164
02:54:34,950 --> 02:54:32,160
eighty um and it was it's like a thing

4165
02:54:36,230 --> 02:54:34,960
that you could step inside and you could

4166
02:54:38,230 --> 02:54:36,240
be sealed

4167
02:54:40,309 --> 02:54:38,240
and that thing could operate essentially

4168
02:54:42,550 --> 02:54:40,319
like a warp drive but instead would have

4169
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:42,560
a wormhole that that connected you to

4170
02:54:47,870 --> 02:54:45,359
another location you could be then

4171
02:54:50,230 --> 02:54:47,880
transported like a transporter

4172
02:54:53,030 --> 02:54:50,240
instantaneously from one location to

4173
02:54:55,190 --> 02:54:53,040
another and you would retain the u-ness

4174
02:54:56,950 --> 02:54:55,200
of you you would still be you know if

4175
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:56,960
you were christina gomez and you stepped

4176
02:55:00,309 --> 02:54:58,720
out there you wouldn't be some crazy

4177
02:55:02,070 --> 02:55:00,319
christina gomez that appeared on the

4178
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:02,080
other side it would still be you because

4179
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:03,920
you stayed intact the whole time yeah

4180
02:55:08,870 --> 02:55:06,880
you don't want to be the uh 10th copy of

4181
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:08,880
a mixtape

4182
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:11,359
right especially if you already started

4183
02:55:14,870 --> 02:55:13,680
out like not that great yeah

4184
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:14,880
you're right

4185
02:55:20,070 --> 02:55:17,680
like the tenth copy of rob lowe still

4186
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:20,080
looks pretty good but the tenth company

4187
02:55:23,990 --> 02:55:22,240
in jonah hill maybe

4188
02:55:26,790 --> 02:55:24,000
we're getting into a rough area yeah

4189
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:26,800
well and and so that was one of the

4190
02:55:31,269 --> 02:55:30,479
things uh about the transporter

4191
02:55:33,670 --> 02:55:31,279
that

4192
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:33,680
uh and it was also addressed really well

4193
02:55:38,550 --> 02:55:35,600
in in galaxy quest

4194
02:55:40,950 --> 02:55:38,560
um but that

4195
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:40,960
you are committing murder

4196
02:55:47,590 --> 02:55:44,720
whoever is you know you remember scotty

4197
02:55:50,950 --> 02:55:47,600
with the uh or or you know with the uh

4198
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,960
the uh the lever right and your face

4199
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:52,800
you're committing murder

4200
02:55:58,790 --> 02:55:55,760
because whoever is there

4201
02:56:01,110 --> 02:55:58,800
it's being replicated you can't have two

4202
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:01,120
u's you've got to do something with the

4203
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:02,640
original body

4204
02:56:05,750 --> 02:56:03,920
right right

4205
02:56:06,710 --> 02:56:05,760
and i don't know where they're disposing

4206
02:56:09,269 --> 02:56:06,720
them of

4207
02:56:11,269 --> 02:56:09,279
but yeah hugh jackman in the prestige

4208
02:56:13,510 --> 02:56:11,279
would replicate himself and just have

4209
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:13,520
the other one fall through the floor and

4210
02:56:17,910 --> 02:56:16,319
fall into a tank and uh suffocate and

4211
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:17,920
you know drown and die and they'd bury

4212
02:56:21,429 --> 02:56:19,920
it somewhere because that's how it would

4213
02:56:26,630 --> 02:56:21,439
have to occur

4214
02:56:27,510 --> 02:56:26,640
right now uh but the other part with uh

4215
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:27,520
uh

4216
02:56:31,190 --> 02:56:30,240
the the original ideas between of star

4217
02:56:34,070 --> 02:56:31,200
trek

4218
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:34,080
was you were actually transporting the

4219
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:37,120
body you were d molecularizing

4220
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:38,960
is that is that a word

4221
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:41,600
yeah but the yeah so i looked into this

4222
02:56:45,510 --> 02:56:43,680
pretty close and actually in the

4223
02:56:46,950 --> 02:56:45,520
original star trek it's very possible

4224
02:56:49,110 --> 02:56:46,960
what you're saying that they were

4225
02:56:51,349 --> 02:56:49,120
breaking it down into little pieces

4226
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:51,359
moving it to the other petri dish and re

4227
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:52,800
reassembling it like you're talking

4228
02:56:57,590 --> 02:56:54,880
about right i do think that was the

4229
02:56:59,990 --> 02:56:57,600
original theory by the time it got to

4230
02:57:01,990 --> 02:57:00,000
the 80s and you got to next generation

4231
02:57:03,750 --> 02:57:02,000
and the writers you know some of these

4232
02:57:06,150 --> 02:57:03,760
great writers dc fontana i mean people

4233
02:57:07,990 --> 02:57:06,160
don't even know like uh you know guys

4234
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:08,000
like george rr martin he was writing on

4235
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:09,760
stargate but these like really great

4236
02:57:15,429 --> 02:57:12,160
smart science and fantasy writers would

4237
02:57:18,469 --> 02:57:15,439
work on these tv shows and they wanted

4238
02:57:20,710 --> 02:57:18,479
to make it all scientifically consistent

4239
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:20,720
so next generation and everything after

4240
02:57:26,790 --> 02:57:24,000
deep space nine voyager picard discovery

4241
02:57:29,269 --> 02:57:26,800
all of these enterprise they are

4242
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:29,279
have a scientific foundation for what is

4243
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:31,439
the warp drive how does it work on the

4244
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:33,680
original series it wasn't that well

4245
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:35,120
spelled out

4246
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:37,359
and the other uh

4247
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:38,160
the

4248
02:57:44,230 --> 02:57:43,200
minutes left so i'll make this quick

4249
02:57:48,830 --> 02:57:44,240
is that

4250
02:57:51,510 --> 02:57:48,840
the idea of the warp drive

4251
02:57:55,030 --> 02:57:51,520
which uh was originally presented in

4252
02:57:57,910 --> 02:57:55,040
1968 that was science fiction it was an

4253
02:58:00,710 --> 02:57:57,920
idea it was written into the script and

4254
02:58:03,830 --> 02:58:00,720
there you go right well

4255
02:58:06,150 --> 02:58:03,840
nasa scientists and engineers that are

4256
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:06,160
working on this today said

4257
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:08,560
dude it was just suggested it's just an

4258
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:11,760
idea but you give us the idea that's all

4259
02:58:15,190 --> 02:58:12,880
we need

4260
02:58:17,190 --> 02:58:15,200
give us the idea and then let us go and

4261
02:58:18,950 --> 02:58:17,200
work on it and so all of these

4262
02:58:20,710 --> 02:58:18,960
conversations that we have today about

4263
02:58:23,349 --> 02:58:20,720
warp drive

4264
02:58:26,070 --> 02:58:23,359
fantastic but we have to give the

4265
02:58:28,309 --> 02:58:26,080
recognition where this came from it came

4266
02:58:30,309 --> 02:58:28,319
from a tv series

4267
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:30,319
jimmy when i talked about that string of

4268
02:58:34,070 --> 02:58:32,160
scientists where you have the

4269
02:58:36,630 --> 02:58:34,080
theoretical physicists thinking up the

4270
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:36,640
crazy stuff right the applied physicist

4271
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:38,880
figuring out how to apply those thoughts

4272
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:40,880
and then the hands-on engineer actually

4273
02:58:44,950 --> 02:58:43,120
doing it right that string if you

4274
02:58:47,830 --> 02:58:44,960
continue back the other direction before

4275
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:47,840
the theoretical physicists in that chain

4276
02:58:52,870 --> 02:58:50,160
are science fiction writers and creators

4277
02:58:54,469 --> 02:58:52,880
they have throughout history

4278
02:58:56,469 --> 02:58:54,479
been out there

4279
02:58:59,030 --> 02:58:56,479
looking into their own heads looking

4280
02:59:01,429 --> 02:58:59,040
into the cosmos looking into these

4281
02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:01,439
super esoteric concepts in the early

4282
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:03,120
days a lot of them were science

4283
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:05,120
scientists you know guys like arthur c

4284
02:59:08,550 --> 02:59:06,560
clarke wrote a lot of

4285
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:08,560
carl sagan but there were a lot of these

4286
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:10,960
original asimov and these writers were

4287
02:59:15,750 --> 02:59:13,600
just sci-fi writers that just looked

4288
02:59:17,349 --> 02:59:15,760
into the future and said

4289
02:59:19,110 --> 02:59:17,359
what are robots going to be like well

4290
02:59:21,190 --> 02:59:19,120
they would have to have three laws they

4291
02:59:24,309 --> 02:59:21,200
would have to have the you know

4292
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:24,319
and they looked at this and as we get a

4293
02:59:29,030 --> 02:59:26,880
hundred years later and we're building

4294
02:59:31,269 --> 02:59:29,040
ai and we're thinking about the idea of

4295
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:31,279
a robot we're going

4296
02:59:35,269 --> 02:59:33,200
maybe the three laws were a good idea or

4297
02:59:38,309 --> 02:59:35,279
maybe something akin to like

4298
02:59:39,990 --> 02:59:38,319
protect us from these super human beings

4299
02:59:42,950 --> 02:59:40,000
we're getting ready to create

4300
02:59:45,990 --> 02:59:42,960
robotically and artificially so yeah

4301
02:59:48,150 --> 02:59:46,000
like that's that that looking forward

4302
02:59:49,990 --> 02:59:48,160
side that's what science fiction has

4303
02:59:52,469 --> 02:59:50,000
done and i said it at the beginning of

4304
02:59:54,070 --> 02:59:52,479
this segment good science fiction

4305
02:59:56,070 --> 02:59:54,080
creates great science and that's how

4306
02:59:58,469 --> 02:59:56,080
that happens yeah there's no doubt about

4307
03:00:00,309 --> 02:59:58,479
it and i was a big fan still am of

4308
03:00:02,710 --> 03:00:00,319
arthur c clarke and

4309
03:00:04,469 --> 03:00:02,720
i've haven't read everything that he has

4310
03:00:07,190 --> 03:00:04,479
put out but the stuff that i have read

4311
03:00:11,349 --> 03:00:07,200
of his which is a lot i've actually read

4312
03:00:15,190 --> 03:00:12,950
i don't even know how many times i've

4313
03:00:17,910 --> 03:00:15,200
read the rama series of books

4314
03:00:19,429 --> 03:00:17,920
oh man right and and and when you think

4315
03:00:22,070 --> 03:00:19,439
about rama

4316
03:00:24,309 --> 03:00:22,080
and then you go to omua

4317
03:00:27,750 --> 03:00:24,319
or you you know and what that represents

4318
03:00:28,710 --> 03:00:27,760
and and and arthur c clarke laid it out

4319
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:28,720
for us

4320
03:00:33,269 --> 03:00:31,040
in in the ram a series of books and in

4321
03:00:35,910 --> 03:00:33,279
2001 a space odyssey

4322
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:35,920
especially when we talk about europa

4323
03:00:41,510 --> 03:00:38,720
today or titan and and these

4324
03:00:45,269 --> 03:00:41,520
possibilities this was laid out by

4325
03:00:49,830 --> 03:00:45,279
arthur c clarke a long time ago and

4326
03:00:51,349 --> 03:00:49,840
monoliths on the moon and mars and and

4327
03:00:53,590 --> 03:00:51,359
if you think about it

4328
03:00:54,870 --> 03:00:53,600
i'll leave you with this go beckley

4329
03:00:57,110 --> 03:00:54,880
teppy

4330
03:01:00,309 --> 03:00:57,120
yeah and and what gobekli tepe

4331
03:01:02,870 --> 03:01:00,319
represents is exactly what arthur c

4332
03:01:03,830 --> 03:01:02,880
clarke wrote about deliberately buried

4333
03:01:09,750 --> 03:01:03,840
yes

4334
03:01:11,670 --> 03:01:09,760
four thousand years before the jomons or

4335
03:01:13,190 --> 03:01:11,680
some of the even the earliest organized

4336
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:13,200
societies

4337
03:01:17,590 --> 03:01:15,279
seven thousand years before the first

4338
03:01:19,670 --> 03:01:17,600
megalist and here they were

4339
03:01:22,389 --> 03:01:19,680
building these amazing temples in turkey

4340
03:01:25,750 --> 03:01:22,399
10 000 years ago and and then

4341
03:01:27,429 --> 03:01:25,760
deliberately buried them yep you got it

4342
03:01:30,630 --> 03:01:27,439
crazy town chris plain you're the

4343
03:01:33,269 --> 03:01:30,640
absolute best man how often is it like

4344
03:01:35,510 --> 03:01:33,279
every day you get published

4345
03:01:38,070 --> 03:01:35,520
so uh yeah starting at the beginning of

4346
03:01:40,389 --> 03:01:38,080
november i took over the news desk at

4347
03:01:42,710 --> 03:01:40,399
the debrief so every day

4348
03:01:45,030 --> 03:01:42,720
i will put out three two or three short

4349
03:01:46,309 --> 03:01:45,040
stories and by short they're still you

4350
03:01:48,389 --> 03:01:46,319
know six to eight hundred words there's

4351
03:01:50,630 --> 03:01:48,399
still a legit six you know five to seven

4352
03:01:52,950 --> 03:01:50,640
minute read i do three of those those

4353
03:01:55,590 --> 03:01:52,960
are usually what's happening in science

4354
03:01:57,830 --> 03:01:55,600
news right those are the hey they just

4355
03:01:59,190 --> 03:01:57,840
announced they found this gas on venus

4356
03:02:02,150 --> 03:01:59,200
or they just announced this thing on

4357
03:02:04,070 --> 03:02:02,160
mars or a company just test flew their

4358
03:02:05,670 --> 03:02:04,080
first personal flying saucer i wrote

4359
03:02:08,630 --> 03:02:05,680
about the other day like whatever there

4360
03:02:11,190 --> 03:02:08,640
was a handheld rail gun i wrote about a

4361
03:02:13,590 --> 03:02:11,200
new smart gun whatever that cutting edge

4362
03:02:15,429 --> 03:02:13,600
science and tech that i feel was would

4363
03:02:18,150 --> 03:02:15,439
intrigue our audience but it's a

4364
03:02:19,510 --> 03:02:18,160
one-story story often so those stories

4365
03:02:21,269 --> 03:02:19,520
come out every day there are three of

4366
03:02:23,510 --> 03:02:21,279
those a day we have another writer that

4367
03:02:26,550 --> 03:02:23,520
does two of those a day uh like four

4368
03:02:28,710 --> 03:02:26,560
days a week as well so a lot of the base

4369
03:02:31,190 --> 03:02:28,720
level news and science and tech that we

4370
03:02:33,429 --> 03:02:31,200
feel represents the debrief that is that

4371
03:02:36,550 --> 03:02:33,439
that bleeding edge that very

4372
03:02:38,469 --> 03:02:36,560
forward-looking futurism sort of look

4373
03:02:40,870 --> 03:02:38,479
that's what i do every day like the

4374
03:02:43,269 --> 03:02:40,880
other guys who who founded the team and

4375
03:02:45,830 --> 03:02:43,279
brought me on very early micah mj and

4376
03:02:47,429 --> 03:02:45,840
tim mcmillan i also write features so

4377
03:02:49,830 --> 03:02:47,439
the bigger stories you were talking

4378
03:02:51,750 --> 03:02:49,840
about that star trek one the one about

4379
03:02:53,830 --> 03:02:51,760
the anti-gravity club the warp bubble

4380
03:02:55,830 --> 03:02:53,840
one those are features that just like

4381
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any investigative reporter i just work

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on in the background so i i send emails

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out i talk to scientists i arrange

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interviews i build that and when those

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are ready to come to fruition

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i go over on twitter and tease them a

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little bit and put them out so i do have

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a couple of good ones coming here in the

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next two to three weeks that i'm really

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excited about those can come anywhere

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from once a month to two or three a

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month but yep that's what i do over

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there congrats man much success the

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debrief has quickly become a centerpiece

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of this community and the rest of the

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media can i tell you one more thing

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jimmy you can do whatever you want

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i'm not gonna

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we have a very big guest columnist

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coming up at the debrief and that's all

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i can say or i'll be fired in the

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morning i've already come close to

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getting fired there twice

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i'm not going to tell you anymore but

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you know avi loeb has written a couple

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of features for us

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uh you know

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some some pretty like uh

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new york times bestselling science

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fiction writers have written stuff for

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us like we've had some really high up

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people

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but there's somebody i think a lot of

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people have wanted to hear from for

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quite some time now

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that approached us

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and i think specifically approached tim

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i'm not 100 sure maybe micah you know

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those guys they're like the wizards up

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on the mountain at the debrief

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and uh

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said i i've got a piece for you guys and

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the last thing i will tell you is

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it's long and it's on target it's about

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something the ufo community's been

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talking about for a while

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and it's somebody

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man like it there are days i come to

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that job and

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you know we are we're on that group chat

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24 7 because tim's over there in germany

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we got people on the east coast west

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coast in between we got a whole team

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debriefs across the country and across

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the world we really have a growing team

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03:04:48,710 --> 03:04:46,800
a couple of writers in england jazz shaw

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does stuff for us out in new york

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and when i come into that group can i

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03:04:54,389 --> 03:04:51,840
see what's going on

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and i get shared something like this i

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get giddy i go this is why when they

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reached out to me last year and they

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03:05:02,830 --> 03:05:00,399
said hey would you be doing it

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03:05:06,630 --> 03:05:02,840
interested in doing some writing for us

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03:05:08,469 --> 03:05:06,640
and i you know i i met tim on twitter i

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03:05:09,830 --> 03:05:08,479
met mj on twitter just talking about

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ufos

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and i went okay you know what let's give

4449
03:05:15,830 --> 03:05:13,520
it a try we'll give it a few months and

4450
03:05:18,790 --> 03:05:15,840
here i am 13 months plus later still

4451
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writing there and when i come into work

4452
03:05:22,070 --> 03:05:20,399
and i see these sort of things my head

4453
03:05:24,469 --> 03:05:22,080
explodes

4454
03:05:26,070 --> 03:05:24,479
tell me stuff on the phone that they go

4455
03:05:27,990 --> 03:05:26,080
chris you're gonna have this story in

4456
03:05:30,710 --> 03:05:28,000
three months and they give it to me

4457
03:05:32,389 --> 03:05:30,720
my head explodes at this job thank you

4458
03:05:34,630 --> 03:05:32,399
so much chris now you've got my

4459
03:05:37,670 --> 03:05:34,640
attention and everybody else

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03:05:39,110 --> 03:05:37,680
so let the rumors it's coming soon i'm

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gonna say

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weeks not months maybe

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03:05:46,469 --> 03:05:45,040
two weeks thank you so much chris chris

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03:05:49,190 --> 03:05:46,479
plain

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03:05:50,710 --> 03:05:49,200
thank you so much and uh

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03:05:54,870 --> 03:05:50,720
much success

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03:05:56,710 --> 03:05:54,880
by hilton j palm

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03:05:58,550 --> 03:05:56,720
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03:06:00,870 --> 03:05:58,560
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03:06:04,230 --> 03:06:00,880
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03:06:08,150 --> 03:06:06,160
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03:06:10,389 --> 03:06:08,160
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03:06:12,309 --> 03:06:10,399
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03:06:14,070 --> 03:06:12,319
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03:06:15,429 --> 03:06:14,080
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03:06:17,269 --> 03:06:15,439
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03:06:18,550 --> 03:06:17,279
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03:06:20,630 --> 03:06:18,560
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03:06:21,990 --> 03:06:20,640
network our meal jimmy church tomorrow

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03:06:28,389 --> 03:06:22,000
night

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03:06:30,710 --> 03:06:28,399
dedicated to clifford mahouty

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03:06:36,900 --> 03:06:30,720
until then i want everybody to be safe

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03:06:36,910 --> 03:06:59,269
[Music]

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so